Author Topic: PCN - Contravention 24: Not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space  (Read 14 times)

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Hello,

Grateful for advice please. The driver received the above contravention, a notice was left on the car despite that fact that the supposed bay markings were so faded, they are essentially non-existent. The driver feels this is completely unjustified - if a council is going to fine someone for not parking in a bay (not sure if that forms part of the HWC or needs to be written on the adjacent signage) they must surely have legible bay markings.

Please see the following 9 images, REG NUMBER redacted, but otherwise unaltered images from the Council Website showing the alleged evidence. It is telling that there are no direct photos of the car tyres outside the bay (as the bay markings do not exist).




















Additionally please see here for the front and rear of the PCN left on the car:






Lastly, the following three images were taken by the driver after moving the vehicle, to show the non-existent bay markings. There is one fraction of a line visible, which does not consitute a "bay". Please note the positon of the van in the drivers' images, which is the same van as can be seen in the 1st image of the Council's alleged evidence.








The driver assumes appealing will result in a rejection although this is surely unjustified given the lack of clear bay markings. Grateful for advice on the best way to appeal to the council and any subseuqent independent/court appeals, should it be necessary.

Many thanks in advance
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:59:27 pm by Gulley53 »

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Did the driver get a photo of the sign, the PCN evidence doesn't show this?
That looks to be a different white van to the one shown in the council's photos, also the cones are missing.

First a couple of questions: -

1.Are you prepared to stand your ground and take CoL to London Tribunals ? You would have to risk the full PCN penalty of £110

2.Is the car yours and is the V5C Registration Certificate up-to-date ? If it is hired or leased, the matter gets much more complicated, (to the benefit of the council, naturally !!!)

Here are the bay markings shown on GSV latest view dated July 2022. For me, the markings are totally inadequate even when unworn. It appears your car was straddling two bays, but it's almost impossible to make that out from the current photos. I am just extrapolating from the 2022 view.  The sign makes no reference to parking in a marked-out bay, so something else to mention.

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In terms of the PCN, you can submit an informal challenge as the driver, but councils reject >95% of these knowing that most people then cough-up to get the discount. Things are only looked at in any degree of seriousness at the Notice to Owner stage. If you car is a hire or lease car, they get the Notice to Owner, not you and you have no legal role in the enforcement process unless it is transferred. Most hire and lease companies just pay the NtO and off-charge it, adding in an "admin" fee, naturally !
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