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Guys,

Actually gutted on this one, as there was no intention to decieve or avoid booking the ticket, I actually
booked it with every intention to avoid a ticket but get to my car and there's a big yellow PCN!

16s - Parked in a permit space without a valid virtual permit

https://ibb.co/wZt3p6Pg
https://ibb.co/jv8F1gDP

Redbridge, offer the first hour of parking free but it has to be booked via Ringo, it seems that they take advantage of this, when user accidently input a incorrect location - So the booking code (6081228) I used was 1 digit different to the correct one (6081226).

I know the council will respond stating that the owness is on the customer to ensure location etc

I booked as follows:

1. I selected the location from the list pre populated within RingGo based on location/nearest.
2. Location said Ilford Town, which is where I was, so selected it - https://ibb.co/9kkbHtnr
3. Based on the above I automatically assumed location code was correct, coupled with it looking or having the similar digits, that I remembered from when I glanced at the P&D board (ie 60812...)

I noticed that the P&D board had a sticker on the location code, suggesting the code has been changed at some point. Therefore not sure if the 6081226 is a new code, hence why it had not appeared automatically in the Ringo list, rather would have had to be manually input and previously the location was in fact 6081228 hence why it appeared - Although the council will not care. (See below)

https://ibb.co/VpCNRfBJ
https://ibb.co/ZRHz6Yqk

I'm sure when the wardens put in a plate, it brings up all permits in that borough currently active, they would have seen it say 6081228 - Ilford Town, yet applied no discretion.

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Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
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Case Details
Case reference   2250334450
Appellant   **********
Authority   London Borough of Redbridge
VRM   PF19FWH
PCN Details
PCN   AF09033725
Contravention date   26 Apr 2025
Contravention time   13:27:00
Contravention location   Beal Road
Penalty amount   GBP 110.00
Contravention   Parked without payment of the parking charge
Referral date   -
Decision Date   08 Nov 2025
Adjudicator   Carl Teper
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   
The Appellant attended the video linked hearing. The Authority was not represented.

The Enforcement Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked without payment of the parking charge when in Beal Road on 26 April 2025 at 13:27.

The Appellant's case is as follows: 'I paid the £2 receipt attached but in error I put in location 7107 instead of 7157. I typed in wrong code which said parked in Grove Road, Wanstead. My £2 was paid on 13.06pm on 26 April. Note I cannot be parked in 2 places at the same time. It was a typo error by typing in 7107 instead of 7157. Proof attached of my payment to LBR of £2 on 13.06pm . Please cancel the penalty based on the above grounds as you can clearly see its a honest mistake and I cannot be parked with the same car at 2 locations at once.'

I have considered the evidence and I find that Appellant's vehicle was parked without payment of the parking charge when in Beal Road on 26 April 2025.

I find that the Appellant paid to park his vehicle in location 7107, which is Grove Park and not 7157, which is Beal Road.

I find that it does remain the driver's responsibility to provide the correct location code before
obtaining a parking session using the RingGo service or any parking payment service. The parking application cannot decide where a motorist's vehicle is actually parked - that is why location codes are provided.

I find this error by the Appellant only goes to mitigating circumstances, which have already been considered by the Authority; they do not provide a defence or raise an exemption.

The Adjudicator decides appeals by making findings of fact and applying the law as it stands. The Adjudicator has no power to quash a penalty charge on the basis of mitigation submitted.

The appeal is refused
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Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #2 on: »
Hey Hippocrates!

My knight in shining armour, although this time it seems that you're asking me to lower the shield and accept defeat as the outcome will be as you've posted :'(  that too of a very very recent case.

I get it from a persepctive of did it happen or did it not, its clear cut, but one would have thought some discretion could have been applied, we know the councils do not this anymore.

I saw in another post for a different issue, the below was mentioned, could it fall within this or not really?

"Under general principle of public law, authorities have a duty to act fairly and porportionately and are encouraged to excercise discretion sensibly and reasonably andwith due regard to  public interest"


Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
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This is different from the usual Redbridge ones because it's a shared use permit/pay bay and the contravention is not having a permit in a shared use bay (the suffix s is shared use). The usual code in shared use bays is 12 as most are resident permit bays - we'd have to look at the order to see what permits are allowed there.

But a challenge can still be made on having a pay/free session - Redbridge has recently changed to 7 digit location codes which I think is bound to result in more errors where there us just one end digit different among similar location names.

And if the CEO could tell there was a live pay session for a nearby location I'd say a Lower level code 19 should have been issued.

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #4 on: »
This is different from the usual Redbridge ones - we'd have to look at the order to see what permits are allowed there.

Interesting, I've noticed (from experience of being hit) they usually issues a '11 - Parked without payment of the parking charge' or similar, but those were P&D bays - I assume I'll have to ask the parking team at Redbridge for the TMO for that bay?

And if the CEO could tell there was a live pay session for a nearby location I'd say a Lower level code 19 should have been issued.

110% the CEO would have seen a live session nearby, I actually think the code I had is used on side road of the one I was on, although not sure what the other codes such as 19 would have meant for me in this case? assume it doesn't mean they've used a wrong contravention code and a way out for us?

But a challenge can still be made on having a pay/free session - Redbridge has recently changed to 7 digit location codes which I think is bound to result in more errors where there us just one end digit different among similar location names.

Redbridge will ignore that challange for sure, question is if we took it to adjudication would that hold against this?

Yes agree, which is whats annoying, as this is my second error (have another post which you've posted on, currently awaiting NTO to further appeal), but same thing although on that occasion I typed it in with the last digit incorrect!
« Last Edit: November 11, 2025, 10:22:14 pm by LondonTraveller84 »

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #5 on: »
This is the order.

I think the bay you were in is in a permit parking area - do you know what the entry signs say? Usually the signed bays are not for permit holders.

What is the latest Maps link.

https://store.traffweb.app/redbridge/documents/parkmap/sched/1.%20The%20Redbridge%20(Waiting,%20Loading,%20Stopping%20and%20Street%20Parking%20Places)%20Consolidation%20Order%202021.pdf

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #6 on: »
Thanks! A very long order, not sure what bit I should be looking at :/

The location is https://maps.app.goo.gl/SAHtMPFf4vmfUyNt6, the lampost sign states it is a Shared Bay (Resident and P&D), not sure of any other signage that I saw ie entering the roads/area, however I believe it is part of a CPZ.

There are some parts of the road with no bay marking at all, nor any yellow line markings, so my understanding was I could park there, however I asked a CEO (to be safe) said, only residents with parking permit can park there, anyone else would get a ticket, it doesnt need to have a marked bay, nor a lampost with signage, nor a yellow line, as its in a CPZ - True?

UPDATE -
Having checked around the boundary of the CPZ, There are 5 entry points, from GSV, I see the following
Point 1. https://maps.app.goo.gl/mjN7MB8MYQycGbxy8 - Permit Holders Only, Except Signed Bays
Point 2. https://maps.app.goo.gl/94zNGkL39M3BBz7n6 - Permit Holders Only, Except Signed Bays
Point 3. https://maps.app.goo.gl/PrHDWMPUEYbHbtL27 - CPZ Sign
Point 4. https://maps.app.goo.gl/VcwPCy8e89QEmabU7 - CPZ Sign
Point 5. https://maps.app.goo.gl/5ZHKxZm53oR7NPWj8 - Nothing
« Last Edit: November 11, 2025, 11:49:51 pm by LondonTraveller84 »

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #7 on: »
It's a PPA not a CPZ - I just thought it odd that permit holders can also use the signed bays when they also have the unmarked kerbside.

The parking sign doesn't say resident though.



Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #8 on: »
Ironically I happened to listen in on the case cited. Does the council's evidence show the car in relation to the sign?
« Last Edit: November 12, 2025, 03:27:46 pm by Hippocrates »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
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IMO, it's the wrong contravention.

A motorist has 2 options to procure parking rights:

1. To display a valid permit or hold a virtual permit; or
2. To pay the parking charge.

IMO, the only possible contravention description is 12. It cannot be 16 because having a valid paid parking session is not a defence against failing to display/hold a permit.

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #10 on: »
It's a PPA not a CPZ

So does the CPZ/PPA element not make any difference to the case, even the fact two entry points actually show a controlled zone sign?

Ironically I happened to listen in on the case cited. Does the council's evidence show the car in relation to the sign?

The CEO pictures does not have a picture with both the car and the sign in one, however one could figure out using other pictures that the sign is shown is actaully sitauated where the car was parked.

A motorist has 2 options to procure parking rights:

1. To display a valid permit or hold a virtual permit; or
2. To pay the parking charge.

IMO, the only possible contravention description is 12. It cannot be 16 because having a valid paid parking session is not a defence against failing to display/hold a permit.

Excuse my ignorance here, but the contravention meets point 1? which is basically what the contravention 16s states surely, which according to them I did not do/have (16s - Parked in a permit space without a valid virtual permit)?
« Last Edit: November 12, 2025, 05:15:41 pm by LondonTraveller84 »

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #11 on: »
Nonsense.

You can have 1 or 2, therefore it follows that not having one cannot be a contravention because you could have the other.

Only contravention grounds which relate to permits AND payment could apply. And this is 12 in your case.

Where are the Permit Parking Area signs?

"permit parking area”
   an area—
(a)
into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been indicated by the sign provided for at item 5 of the sign table in Part 3 of Schedule 5; and

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/5

(b)
where any parking place within that area reserved for the use of the permit holders as indicated on that sign is not shown by markings on the road (whether or not an upright sign is placed next to, or near, such a parking place to indicate that only the permit holders in question may use the place)


Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
« Reply #12 on: »
Why can't a shared use bay be just a permit and pay? It may be that the only permit allowed there is resident but the sign and PCN match. 

Must say I can't see a strong case here - the fairness of the ridiculous location code and app location is the main route IMO.

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
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Just catching up on my tickets/appeals :( Based on all the discussions and thoughts, how should I respond as there has been a number of points made in this thread, some have confused me, I believe tomorrow is the last day to appeal

Some more info, not sure if it'll help, I was there the other day and noticed the roads (York Road & Beal Road) off Argyle road that I was on, actually had the code that I had used and that appeared on Ring Go 6081228, so its very easily confusing, with two parralell roads having the code but the road itself not.. and one would deem this area Ilford Town.

I assume I cannot say I saw the sign on the side road which matched the ringo, as I was walking being the same area, as Redbridge have a tendancy to give a block/area of roads the same code and/or I had parked in the area before a number of times (which I had) and been using the 6081228 so had no reason to think otherwise when it showed in the app or would they counter saying I should have verified with the sign on the actual road?

Re: PCN Contravention 16s (Redbridge) - Incorrect Parking Location Code
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OP, getting back to the facts of this case as you've presented them.

IMO,

It is not a Permit Parking Area.

It's a parking place, and that's it. CPZs are not relevant as they only control waiting, not parking.

The hours shown on the sign mean that it is a SHARED USE bay for its entirety, that is to say Mon-Sat 8.30-6.30. The only distinction is that permit holders may park without time limit whereas those who pay are limited to a maximum of 2 hours.

With this background in mind Parking without displaying a permit is nonsense. It must be code the lengthy code 12 description.

Your defence: contravention did not occur.