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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #30 on: »
I would simply say this as I advised in the case won last year:



I require you to consider my informal challenge as my formal representations and I also make this collateral challenge regarding your website which contains grounds which do not belong to the statutory scheme, thereby causing confusion at least.




Should you not agree to do so, I shall take the matter to the Tribunal and seek independent adjudication as provided by law.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2025, 06:05:41 pm by cp8759 »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #31 on: »
so I don't need to mail the letter back? just fill the form as you mentioned?

And I shouldn't add more to my informal challenge? the cctv point? or any other points? Are we allowed to add more grounds during the tribunal beside the formal challenge content?

Best,
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« Reply #32 on: »
At the tribunal stage you can add whatever you want, there are no restrictions as such. If you send a letter in the post they just scan it into the computer and shred the original, so you might as well post the representation directly into their computer system. In fact if you want to use the website point, you pretty much have to.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #33 on: »
Thank you for the guidance :)

I submitted the formal challenge. Now I should wait for the tribunal to reach out? or is it the council who would reach out?

What are the next steps?
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #34 on: »
If you submitted your reps to the Council, you are waiting for them to respond.

For a guide to the process see
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/bus-lane-pcn-enforcement-process
and
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/appeals-process-explained

If Harrow provide the facility, you can always keep an eye on the PCN's status/history page and report any changes.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2025, 01:08:38 pm by John U.K. »
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #35 on: »
As above, so below:

Just wait for the inevitable rejection and we take it from there.
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #36 on: »
Quote from: faqasim on January 29, 2025, 09:47:55 am
Thank you for the guidance :)

I submitted the formal challenge. Now I should wait for the tribunal to reach out?
Just wait for the Notice of Rejection.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #37 on: »
Hello Everyone,

I just received the rejection notice. Please find attached. What's next now ?

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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #38 on: »
Well that's a cracker of a NOR. Date served/date of letter. I say Tribunal time and I am happy to register the appeal and take care of this. They must attend and provide the correct evidence. I will drop you a PM with my details if you wish to take it all the way.

Also, please remind me of your formal reps. against the EN as I believe there is a failure to consider as well.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2025, 11:37:26 am by Hippocrates »
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #39 on: »
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we may apply to the County Court to recover the money - plus court costs - from you
How to intimidate people.

County Court - Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC)
Court TEC costs - £10 fixed, not variable

So people immediately think, "must pay now, I don't want to get a CCJ"

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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #40 on: »
@Hippocrates
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Also, please remind me of your formal reps. against the EN as I believe there is a failure to consider as well.

As per yr Reply#30 above. (Informal challenge is in Reply#4 on page 1)
« Last Edit: February 11, 2025, 12:02:21 pm by John U.K. »
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #41 on: »
@faqasim I suggest you take Hippocrates up on his offer.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #42 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on February 11, 2025, 11:31:24 am
Well that's a cracker of a NOR. Date served/date of letter. I say Tribunal time and I am happy to register the appeal and take care of this. They must attend and provide the correct evidence. I will drop you a PM with my details if you wish to take it all the way.

Also, please remind me of your formal reps. against the EN as I believe there is a failure to consider as well.

Hello Hippocrates,

Yes please. I am more than happy for you to register the appeal and manage it.
I will reply to your PM today.
Many thanks !
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #43 on: »
"Roger, over and out."
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #44 on: »
Hello Hippocrates

Tribunal date is set ! sent you the details.
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