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Hey all,

Seasons Greetings  ;)

My wife just received a PCN for 53J "failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (camera enforcement)". Do she have any grounds for appeal here?

I have added some links to the PCN below:

Page 1
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qXY0Kz6rjA4jBRhqlSeWbkzut5i_TYWd/view?usp=sharing

Page 2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qWCkqTSp2R4IzUpk9ghI9WyubpcKWPxq/view?usp=sharing


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Re: PCN - 53J - Redbridge Council - Failing to comply with restriction
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Technical ones.

1.  What vehicles?
2.  TWOC ground limits/fetters to theft.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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My wife drives a small Lexus CT200.

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any advice on this folks?

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can you post the video it's always best to argue against the contravention if you can

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Hey folks,

I have uploaded the video to my google drive account. Please find link below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k4BjPDDT-K9RglrJAWi3lgPn4f4RFWSz/view?usp=sharing
« Last Edit: January 01, 2024, 10:37:52 pm by bigred247 »

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I'm not sure how to embed the video so have attached a google drive link above

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Video shows your wife turning left into the street, where the signs are very high up. One has to wonder if they are even visible from inside a car !
However, for a left turn into the street, I would expect there to be an advance warning sign on the approach road; is there one ?  GSV is too out-of-date to show the restriction.

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@Incandescent
Thanks for the advice. 
The location is about 15 minutes from where I live, so I'll drive/approach the location and try taking some pictures.

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Hey all,

I visited the location and started at the beginning of the road near Ley Street. The car approached from the Ley Street side and then turned left into Charter Avenue according to the video. However, I did not see any signs informing/warning of the restrictions while approaching the junction of Charter Avenue.

I have attached some images in the folder link below. The picture quality is not great and there was heavy rain and poor light.

Any advice?

Thanks.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UXrqL_ITcOGEd1X7hJhuB7ZmabyH6vvh?usp=sharing
« Last Edit: January 05, 2024, 04:30:57 pm by bigred247 »

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Any advice given the pictures I posted yesterday?

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No advance sign for a left turn, and the signs would only be visible as you start to turn in. So what do you do if you suddenly see them ? Jam on your brakes and cause an accident ? I don't think so, so submit representations based on lack of advance warning for a left turn into the street. They'll reject you, of course, because they always do, and only really want your money. So you'd probably have to take them to London Tribunals, where lack of warning has won in the past, but it is not guaranteed. So, its a choice of paying the discount, or taking the double-or-quits gamble at London Tribunals. The odds here are not too bad, but one never knows what an adjudicator had for breakfast; some seem to eat lemons !
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@Incandescent
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking along similar lines. I'll go with representations based on this but expect this to go to the tribunal as you suggest.


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@Incandescent
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking along similar lines. I'll go with representations based on this but expect this to go to the tribunal as you suggest.
But you should also include the technical point as they must consider it.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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