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Hit with a PCN in the middle of the night. PCN 52M Bus gate Havering South Street/Eastern St RM1
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I have received a PCN from Havering Council for 52M.

It was late at night 23:23 and I was driving to obtain an out of hours prescription from a doctor for my son. I did not see any signs. There appear some road works going on. There are no signs shown on the PCN video but appreciate that in itself wont be enough.
Here is the PCN: https://imgpile.com/p/luQoDRc
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Re: Hit with a PCN in the middle of the night. PCN 52M Bus gate Havering South Street/Eastern St RM1
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I will be back later this afternoon. I have one myself here! Take a look at their website too please.
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This is a very well known and notorious location, and there have been successful appeals on signage inadequacy. The video shows you passing no signs at all.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 22, 2026, 11:44:42 am
I will be back later this afternoon. I have one myself here! Take a look at their website too please.

Thank you, I will wait for your response. I think todays is the last day of the 14 day period.
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Quote from: Incandescent on April 22, 2026, 12:45:31 pm
This is a very well known and notorious location, and there have been successful appeals on signage inadequacy. The video shows you passing no signs at all.

Thanks. Should i reply on the absence of signs as the sole basis or should I add any additional grounds?
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I will do a detailed draft later.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hit with a PCN in the middle of the night. PCN 52M Bus gate Havering South Street/Eastern St RM1
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Before you do anything screenshot their grounds page including the caveat re ticking the box and making a false representation.

Dear Havering

The PCN does not state the grounds on which you allege this PCN is payable by its use of "certain vehicles". Furthermore, when entering your website I am faced with no signage whatsoever to indicate what I am supposed to have done wrong.

Finally, there is one wrong ground on the PCN which does not belong to the 2003 legislation.

In light of the above please cancel the PCN.

:D
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hit with a PCN in the middle of the night. PCN 52M Bus gate Havering South Street/Eastern St RM1
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Quote from: Hippocrates on May 01, 2026, 09:33:58 pm
Before you do anything screenshot their grounds page including the caveat re ticking the box and making a false representation.

Dear Havering

The PCN does not state the grounds on which you allege this PCN is payable by its use of "certain vehicles". Furthermore, when entering your website I am faced with no signage whatsoever to indicate what I am supposed to have done wrong.

Finally, there is one wrong ground on the PCN which does not belong to the 2003 legislation.

In light of the above please cancel the PCN.

:D

See also these cases:

Joanna Chalko v London Borough of Havering (2250426286, 7 November 2025).pdf
Google Docs · drive.google.com


Adele Edwin-Lamerton v London Borough of Havering (2250626933, 24 April 2026).pdf
Google Docs · drive.google.com

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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hit with a PCN in the middle of the night. PCN 52M Bus gate Havering South Street/Eastern St RM1
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Thanks Phillip

I had to send the representation in before your response came in, because of the tight deadline. They rejected the representation on 14th May. I send an appeal to the London Tribunal on 14th June which has been accepted and due to he heard on 15th December 2026 at 16:00.

However, in the meantime I have received a charge certificate from Havering Council dated 12th June. What do I need to do to get the charge certificate cancelled?

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Seems you're one of many!

Hapless Havering (Council)
  This adjudication decision from London Tribunals (case 2260674991 & heard on 17 June) is, although couched in polite terms, a proper telli...
lbbspending.blogspot.com
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To all: my case is at 11.15 on Wednesday. Please feel free to observe. Just phone the Tribunal for the Teams link and tell them it is an observation request and you do not need to give details of the case. The Gallery will be full.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/time-to-step-up-to-the-plate/msg122565/#msg122565

Win or lose, tis High Court time and this is why they have sent a barrister. Not to be missed.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: ashthemash on June 21, 2026, 12:21:35 am
Thanks Phillip

I had to send the representation in before your response came in, because of the tight deadline. They rejected the representation on 14th May. I send an appeal to the London Tribunal on 14th June which has been accepted and due to he heard on 15th December 2026 at 16:00.

However, in the meantime I have received a charge certificate from Havering Council dated 12th June. What do I need to do to get the charge certificate cancelled?

I will PM you. Call me and observe my hearing at 11.15 this Wednesday. Please email me all the paperwork asap. It is in your interests and all others who have received a PCN to listen in.

Can't wait.  ;D
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: MrChips on June 21, 2026, 08:52:48 am
Seems you're one of many!

https://lbbspending.blogspot.com/2026/06/hapless-havering-council.html?m=1

Dear Havering

Without any further ado, 007's PCN must be cancelled as, yet again, you have issued a premature charge certificate. To cite Adjudicator Carl Teper and Martin Wood and Michael Burke before him, this unlawful action undermines the authority of the Tribunal. Not only that, your relentless and intransigent and continued pursuit of cases is unreasonable in the Wednesbury sense. I also refer you to decisions made by Adjudicators Cotton and Greenslade in this regard. This has to stop forthwith.

I reserve the right to mention this at my own hearing and urge you to seek urgent advice from your counsel.

Regards

Moneypenny
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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