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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
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Hey all,

I received a 'notice of rejection of representation' from Barking & Dagenham. The letter is dated 20.10.2023 but I was away on business from 17.10.2023 to 02.11.2023 so only picked this up earlier this afternoon.

Please see the attached link.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19jLEqDZcfTED0UHhy75kgCMV1_nJA9bM/view?usp=sharing
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #16 on: »
They have not re-offered the discount, so it is now a no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals as the penalty does not increase, and there are no additional costs.
I'm not sure what your reps will be, but no doubt somebody on here will be able to suggest some.
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
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@bigred247 would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 04, 2023, 10:45:16 pm
@bigred247 would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

That would be great. And yes :)
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I've sent you a PM.
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #20 on: »
Somewhat underwhelming outcome.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #21 on: »
Quote from: cp8759 on December 10, 2023, 01:36:12 pm
Somewhat underwhelming outcome.
Ok "Number 1": does this barking outfit adduce any  evidence these days?  ::) If at all? All this is happening on Mr Rulewski's watch, of course.  Their barrister.

The signatory of that NOR needs a new stencil.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2023, 03:00:34 pm by Hippocrates »
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #22 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 10, 2023, 02:58:51 pm
Quote from: cp8759 on December 10, 2023, 01:36:12 pm
Somewhat underwhelming outcome.
Ok "Number 1": does this barking outfit adduce any  evidence these days?  ::) If at all? All this is happening on Mr Rulewski's watch, of course.  Their barrister.

The signatory of that NOR needs a new stencil.
Presumably they still have to pay the adjudication fee ?
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #23 on: »
Quote from: Incandescent on December 10, 2023, 05:11:31 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 10, 2023, 02:58:51 pm
Quote from: cp8759 on December 10, 2023, 01:36:12 pm
Somewhat underwhelming outcome.
Ok "Number 1": does this barking outfit adduce any  evidence these days?  ::) If at all? All this is happening on Mr Rulewski's watch, of course.  Their barrister.

The signatory of that NOR needs a new stencil.
Presumably they still have to pay the adjudication fee ?

Yes.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #24 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 10, 2023, 08:45:08 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on December 10, 2023, 05:11:31 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 10, 2023, 02:58:51 pm
Quote from: cp8759 on December 10, 2023, 01:36:12 pm
Somewhat underwhelming outcome.
Ok "Number 1": does this barking outfit adduce any  evidence these days?  ::) If at all? All this is happening on Mr Rulewski's watch, of course.  Their barrister.

The signatory of that NOR needs a new stencil.
Presumably they still have to pay the adjudication fee ?

Yes.
Jolly good !  I suppose they are making so much money they can afford a few quid loss.
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #25 on: »
Quote from: cp8759 on December 10, 2023, 01:36:12 pm
Somewhat underwhelming outcome.

@cp8759
I am a little dumbfounded. To clarify, is the adjudicator saying he never received a copy of the PCN or evidence pack? so did a hearing take place? Once again, thank you for your hard work in getting this over the line.... and thank you to everybody else who contributed.
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Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #26 on: »
The Authority has failed to produce a copy of the Penalty Charge Notice.

Without a copy of the Penalty Charge Notice there is no evidence that a
contravention occurred.

I must therefore allow this appeal without consideration of any of the
issues raised by either party.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #27 on: »
Quote from: bigred247 on December 12, 2023, 10:14:59 am
To clarify, is the adjudicator saying he never received a copy of the PCN or evidence pack?
The council never sent an evidence pack to the tribunal, so there was no evidence of any contravention.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN - 52M - Barking & Dagenham
« Reply #28 on: »
Typical. Their council Leader was on the tellie last night.  He wants to be an MP!
« Last Edit: December 13, 2023, 11:10:32 am by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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