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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 09, 2025, 02:08:18 pm
pdf. today. online. screenshot the pages before you send please.

Managed to get the Reps off for this eventually.

Got screenshots & confirmation emails too

Thanks Hippocrates  8)
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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
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Hi all

We've had a Notice of Rejection of Formal Representation letter from Enfield Parking Service's dated 26th Jan 26. There's 7 pgs as It's got a form attached so we can forward our complaint to London Tribunals

we've got 28 days to send reps.

Is there anything else we need to add to our Reps to the adjudicator ie site photos, further explanations of the events? anything on this rejection letter that they've not correctly informed us of?

https://postimg.cc/0zt3WRJf PG1&2
https://postimg.cc/cKSptMwL PG3
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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
« Reply #32 on: »
First page is very blurry and barely legible. Could you take and upload another picture?
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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
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Quote from: MrChips on February 01, 2026, 02:01:33 pm
First page is very blurry and barely legible. Could you take and upload another picture?

Sorry, not sure why this is happening? other 4 pages are the appeals form and info

https://postimg.cc/Z9fhkvvZ Pg1
https://postimg.cc/xk84zxq1 Pg2
https://postimg.cc/0z2tTWYD Pg3
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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
« Reply #34 on: »
Thanks - they've very helpfully rejected your representation by explicitly stating that the original PCN makes "clear reference" to you having 28 days from date of Notice to submit representations, thereby depriving you of at least 2 days which they must by law allow you.

Can't see how they can win this at the tribunal - but see what Hippocrates thinks as arguing against dodgy PCN wording is his forte.
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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
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Quote from: MrChips on February 01, 2026, 02:17:20 pm
Thanks - they've very helpfully rejected your representation by explicitly stating that the original PCN makes "clear reference" to you having 28 days from date of Notice to submit representations, thereby depriving you of at least 2 days which they must by law allow you.

Can't see how they can win this at the tribunal - but see what Hippocrates thinks as arguing against dodgy PCN wording is his forte.

Thanks Mr Chips 8)

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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
« Reply #36 on: »
Device problem with internet but if that is what they have written it is tribunal time.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 02, 2026, 01:08:30 pm
Device problem with internet but if that is what they have written it is tribunal time.

Yes, bottom of Pg1 and top of pg2 states

"The extract you refer to from 'London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 - part2, Section 4 is the legislation for Penalty charges for road traffic contraventions. The PCN itself makes clear reference in that representations must be made within 28 days beginning with the date on the notice or take advantage of the discount if paid within 14 days."

If this is what Mr Chips is referencing...then we're happy to more forward to tribunal ;)
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« Reply #38 on: »
Morning All

Just checking to see if we'll need photo's of the Yellow box junction of the area for this London Tribunal Appeal?

or will it be enough to Appeal the wording of the NTK & Enfield's rejection reply letter to defend this?

We think we've got till 23rd Feb to put something in writing to London tribunals and not sure quite how to start the Appeal letter?

Any suggestions will be gratefully appriciated
 
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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
« Reply #39 on: »
Hi All,

Just a nudge on this issue, as they're "28 days beginning" with the date on the rejection letter is up this Sunday 22nd February, so we just need some guidance as to how to draft the reps to London Tribunals and if we need to get photos of the YBJ??

Do we fill in the forms sent with the rejection letter and post off? or can the appeal be completed on line to London Tribunals?

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The law gives you 28 days starting with the date of service of the rejection notice to apply for adjudication (or even such longer period as the adjudicator may decide).  Enfield are a bit naughty stating it's 28 days from the date of notice in their NoR.

That gives you until Tuesday 24 February.  It can be done online so no need to worry about allowing for postal delays.

Under the same law, they are also obliged to state in the NoR that they may serve a Charge Certificate on you "unless before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of the notice of rejection—

(i)the penalty charge is paid; or

(ii)the person on whom the notice is served appeals to a traffic adjudicator against the penalty charge"

Again, they've messed that up by stating the 28 day period is "from the date of this letter".  Something else you can raise at tribunal.

See what others say, but generally we advise just to initiate an appeal before the deadline and state that you rely on your formal representations rather than submitting any newly drafted appeal wording.

You can then add or embellish closer to the time (usually once you've received Enfield's evidence pack).


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Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
« Reply #41 on: »
Ok this cancels my retirement plans. I will take this one on. Total abuse of process.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN 31J Entering and stopping in a box Junction when prohibited Southbury Rd/Eaton Rd ENFIELD
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Appeal filed this evening. Gobbledygook.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2026, 06:16:18 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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