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PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« on: January 11, 2025, 02:15:15 pm »
Happy New Year!

I parked on resident's bay 30th December.

Noticed PCN today, GR11346567, Reg: LV60 RHJ, as bay suspended on 10th January.






I didn't notice any suspension signs up when I parked.  Possible, I suppose, I missed it.



Informal Challenge:

I parked legally in this residents bay as I have a resident's permit, on 30 December 2024.

I note that I have a PCN as bay was suspended on 10th January.

I don't recall seeing a suspension sign when I parked.

Please check your records to see when suspension notices were erected. If after 30th December please cancel this PCN. As clearly I would have no idea a suspension was planned.

This account can be verified by reference to the suspension log, which should record vehicles parked at time of erecting suspension signs.

If you decide not to cancel this PCN

A) please reply with the date the suspension notices were  erected.
B) confirm whether a suspension log was kept, and whether my vehicle was marked as parked at the time.


I do have a google timeline to confirm I parked on that date. I drove to Charlton and back.

I didn't include it on my informal challenge, as Google notated return drive as a bus journey! So I didn't want to give them any excuse to auto-reject.


Anything else I need to do?

Get TMO? Suspension Log?

Or should I wait for the response?

 
Regards.
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stamfordman

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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2025, 03:02:18 pm »
Yes they should have a log of cars in suspended area when sign went up. I assume your car was outside 43-45.

Where were you - leaving a car unchecked from 30 Dec to 10 Jan is not good and they may well reject.



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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2025, 03:35:27 pm »
 Car was parked down the road.

I don't use car much in London, generally I use public transport, unless I'm going long distance. So wouldn't check.
Is 11 days really considered a long time?

Anyone any idea of how much notice they are supposed to give?
 
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2025, 05:38:57 pm »
There is no notice period - sometimes they have to suspend bays for emergency work. Obviously the longer the better and of course people do go on holiday, which is why I asked where you were.

Anyway let's see what they reply with.

From now on check the parking bay signs at least every 2 days.
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2025, 08:33:53 am »
Just looked up Greenwich council's request form for suspension, in which they ask applicant for 10 days notice.

https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/parking-transport-and-streets/apply-park-your-property-or-restricted-place/apply-suspend-parking

I also note that other councils require notice to give neighbours 7 days notice. So I can't rely on insufficient notice.

Perhaps my challenge should have been more apologetic asking for mitigation...

Any chance of a technical challenge?
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2025, 02:24:29 pm »
Please check your records to see when suspension notices were erected. If after 30th December please cancel this PCN. As clearly I would have no idea a suspension was planned.

Isn't a defence on its own, but you can assert as you have done and just wait for their response. Just think about it, according to your logic you could substitute November or October or September or whatever for December and a motorist would still have immunity by virtue of there not being suspension notices when they parked.
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2025, 04:46:37 pm »
Assuming rejection. Any further avenues for a defence HCA? or should I just take the 50% discount and my lesson?
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2025, 06:28:43 pm »
We haven't seen their response, so it's premature to worry on this score IMO. Make sure reps are submitted within the 14-day discount period and then reassess when their response is received.

Are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2025, 09:45:29 pm »
Yep. Definitely registered as keeper with correct address.
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Re: PCN 21: Suspended Bay. Royal Greenwich.
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2025, 09:53:58 pm »
Good.

Just one question:

How do you know you were in contravention at 9.20, the sign doesn't say anything about extent of restriction. Was it 0001- H hour or 0900 to 0915 and was it only on 10th or what?

IMO, the sign is defective as it doesn't give hours or days.
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