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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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This is what council site says:
https://imgur.com/a/k4FHc2H

And my V5C is update to date with my address.

On their appeal, it did say not to contact us again until I get the NTK so...
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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Their ears must be burning as i have just received the NTK today!

https://imgur.com/a/ZvzrwGn
« Last Edit: October 12, 2024, 04:11:34 pm by storm1059 »
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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I would just say:

I am making representations against the PCN on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not occur.

As I said in my informal challenge, the law regarding dropped footways concerns only being adjacent to the fully dropped part of the kerb. In your rejection of my challenge you are wrong to say that parking by the sloping part of the kerb is not allowed.

As no part of my car was adjacent to the fully dropped part the contravention did not occur and I invite you to check the regulation and cancel the PCN.

Maybe add in a key case and regulation refs. Also there are other councils that make this clear - eg Hillingdon:

https://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/4972/Enforcement-of-dropped-kerbs


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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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Please provide the pcn ref and vehicle registration, there is no need to redact them, only hide your home addesss.
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
« Reply #19 on: »
You can see this CEO shot shows being next to the sloping part and that's what they wrongly allege is a contravention.

I really doubt they'll reject again after their hopeless first rejection.

By the way, it was me who kept on at Hillingdon about their dropped footway page where they used to say the sloping part counts. They eventually changed it.

« Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 10:59:40 am by stamfordman »
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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Quote from: stamfordman on October 12, 2024, 06:17:02 pm
I would just say:

I am making representations against the PCN on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not occur.

As I said in my informal challenge, the law regarding dropped footways concerns only being adjacent to the fully dropped part of the kerb. In your rejection of my challenge you are wrong to say that parking by the sloping part of the kerb is not allowed.

As no part of my car was adjacent to the fully dropped part the contravention did not occur and I invite you to check the regulation and cancel the PCN.

Maybe add in a key case and regulation refs. Also there are other councils that make this clear - eg Hillingdon:

https://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/4972/Enforcement-of-dropped-kerbs



Thank you for this! I will write up as they want it as a written letter and will include the Hillingdon example. Thanks!


Quote from: mrmustard on October 13, 2024, 08:19:54 am
Please provide the pcn ref and vehicle registration, there is no need to redact them, only hide your home addesss.

The Reg: MT69TZP
PCN: HR75564726

Kind Regards
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
« Reply #21 on: »
Before i sent it off, this is what I have written so far. I'm sure they should cancel it after this formal appeal!

https://imgur.com/a/uhm73i7
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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You should be doing it online - why by post?



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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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The NtK only has guidance with the form, doesn't mention an online way to appeal to NtK and when I look up the reg on the council site, I see the same button I did for the informal challenge (and the same after they rejected it) so not sure if that is the same for NtK formal challenge.

https://imgur.com/a/UoFQSzt

EDIT: When I go into the challenge, it does mention something about Formal challenge so I assume it's the same form then! Will do it online.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2024, 01:05:48 pm by storm1059 »
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
« Reply #24 on: »
If your representations gets rejected (and council websites are sloppy about wording sometimes, they call it a challenge which it is in a way but should really call it a representation) I would be pleased to be your free representative at the tribunal.

I will also be adding that the website is unfair in that it says you should pay now to avoid further fees.
a - there have been no fees so far
b - if you follow the process there won't be any furtehr fees or even an increase to the penalty.
It is misleading and bullying amd there is an overarching duty on the council to be procedurally fair.
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
« Reply #25 on: »
Hello everyone,

Just got an update this morning that they have rejected the formal appeal.

Here is the email:
https://imgur.com/a/MLPADRk

It included a form for tribual but it says you can also fill it out online.
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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Hilarious, the law which applies in Hillingdon does not apply in Harrow.
Oh yes it does.

I would love to be the rep on this email.
If that suits you storm1059 please email an unredacted copy of the rejection to mrmustard@zoho.com
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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One couldn't make it up.
For those who dislike clicking on links:






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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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Quote from: mrmustard on November 12, 2024, 03:38:13 pm
Hilarious, the law which applies in Hillingdon does not apply in Harrow.
Oh yes it does.

I would love to be the rep on this email.
If that suits you storm1059 please email an unredacted copy of the rejection to mrmustard@zoho.com

Ridiculous isn't it!

I've forwarded the email to you.
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Re: Harrow, code 27 parked next to dropped kerb, Westfield Drive
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Just attended the hearing by phone as am abroad. The PCN was cancelled by the adjudicator. Written decision will be out in the morning.
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