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Hope everyone is well,

long story short I was assisting a disabled person from the coffee shop to the vehicle. Warden had seen clearly what was going on. He said "ticket is printing already sir" so instead he said "I will put a note on the ticket and just call this number (on the plastic the ticket comes in) and let them know the situation". So I done as asked but the woman from the helpline explained no note has been put on there and I would have to appeal it regardless as they can not cancel PCNs on there, main point being the warden didn't even put the note on there.

I'm going to appeal based on the reasons above but was wondering if there is any other grounds of appeal?

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Hope everyone is well,

long story short I was assisting a disabled person from the coffee shop to the vehicle. Warden had seen clearly what was going on. He said "ticket is printing already sir" so instead he said "I will put a note on the ticket and just call this number (on the plastic the ticket comes in) and let them know the situation". So I done as asked but the woman from the helpline explained no note has been put on there and I would have to appeal it regardless as they can not cancel PCNs on there, main point being the warden didn't even put the note on there.

I'm going to appeal based on the reasons above but was wondering if there is any other grounds of appeal?

https://ibb.co/3pHtygL
https://ibb.co/yRLfthz
https://ibb.co/hWkHxSv
https://ibb.co/LzKx0x6
https://ibb.co/yqNVJDT
https://ibb.co/L0HTwTp
https://ibb.co/HXL9wx2

Thanks.

Re: Parked or loading in restricted street
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You've repeated your post for some reason.

Can you describe the circumstances more fully. Your thread hints at what is called "assisted boarding" and therefore potentially grounds for cancellation of the PCN.   

To help us help you, please post-up a GSV link to the exact location, as Queensway is a long street.

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https://maps.app.goo.gl/aG3f9WU98xvRxJ8f9

I believe OP was parked here given the lamp post reference in the picture (and the building in the distance with the fancy shape round the windows).
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You've repeated your post for some reason.

Can you describe the circumstances more fully. Your thread hints at what is called "assisted boarding" and therefore potentially grounds for cancellation of the PCN. 

To help us help you, please post-up a GSV link to the exact location, as Queensway is a long street.

The above location is bang on.

Was helping my auntie from the coffee shop to the vehicle. This is directly across the road with a safe location to park

Draft of appeal :

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am appealing this penalty charge on the assist boarding exemption.
At the time of this penalty charge notice I was assist boarding my family member whom is disabled from Dr. Power, 37 Queensway, London W2 4QJ to the vehicle which was right across the street. This was the closest place that would have been safe to assist them from the coffee shop. During the assist the warden who had issued the ticket had witnessed the situation but was not able to cancel the ticket as he stated it is printing already. He had then told me he will put a note on the penalty charge and for me to contact the number on the notice which I had done so but they had asked me to write an appeal. Due to there trouble walking I must have parked in this location to assist them after our time was done in the coffee shop.

I ask for this penalty charge to be cancelled due to the above reasons. I will to this email attach a witness statement signed.

Thank you.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2024, 09:26:18 pm by privates »

Re: Parked or loading in restricted street
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Try this: -

I wish to challenge this penalty charge on the basis that the contravention did not occur because I was engaged in boarding a passenger to the vehicle under the assisted boarding exemption.

At the time of this penalty charge notice I was assisting my disabled family member to board my car. The person concerned had previously attended a consultation with Dr. Power, 37 Queensway, London W2 4QJ, and due to a walking disability had gone to the adjacent cafe to the surgery, to await my arrival. When I arrived, I was only able to park the car on the opposite side of the street to the cafe. This was also the closest place that would have been safe for me to assist them from the coffee shop to the car.

During the time from collecting my family memeber from the cafe, and assisting him to the vehicle, the warden who had previously issued the ticket had subsequently witnessed the situation.  He told me that he was not able to cancel the ticket because it was printing already. He had then told me he will make an additional note against the notes for the penalty charge and told me to contact the number on the notice which I have done so,  but the official who took my call asked me to write an appeal and submit this as verbal appeals are not acceptable.

I therefore request that this penalty charge to be cancelled on the basis that boarding and alighting passengers is an exemption to the restrictions in the parking bay. I will to this email attach a witness statement signed.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2024, 09:53:39 pm by Incandescent »
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Re: Parked or loading in restricted street
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OP, we need a straight story pl.

You were assisting someone from the doctor's or from a coffee shop? 

In either case, did you park and then immediately collect the person i.e. if at the doctor's, they were ready, and if at the coffee shop you didn't join them for a drink?

Helping someone, however much in need, with whom you've been chatting over a latte isn't assisted boarding, there are very strict conditions which apply to this exemption.

Let's be clear and then make the case equally clearly.

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@privates please give us a link to the exact spot on google street view. Looking at the CEO photos, I don't think the restriction is signed properly.
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@privates please give us a link to the exact spot on google street view. Looking at the CEO photos, I don't think the restriction is signed properly.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dhkaf2etyPcbBGxD6
« Last Edit: March 10, 2024, 10:23:57 pm by cp8759 »

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@privates please give us a link to the exact spot on google street view. Looking at the CEO photos, I don't think the restriction is signed properly.

Is the restriction signed properly or shall I proceed with above appeal?

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What is clear is that somebody in the council has realised that the signs are rather confusing, and could have been done better, but instead of altering the signs, they've decided to put up a large sign explaining the signs below !
This is a rather strange restriction, in that it only permits loading 7 am to mid day, with the rest of the time being no parking or loading even overnight. The only thing allowed at this bay at any time would be boarding/alighting passengers. A point to make is that the large sign at the top is not a traffic sign, only the signs below it are.

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@privates the restriction is not signed properly, but if you were engaged in assisted alighting then it hardly matters anyway as you have a defence in any event.

I see you challenged the PCN on the 20th so let us know when you get a response.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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@privates the restriction is not signed properly, but if you were engaged in assisted alighting then it hardly matters anyway as you have a defence in any event.

I see you challenged the PCN on the 20th so let us know when you get a response.

This is the response to the appeal I received today

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Image too small to read :(  So have posted BBcodes here.





Have we seen your challenge? Then we can see how much he's failed to consider it.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2024, 08:30:03 am by John U.K. »

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I wish to challenge this penalty charge on the basis that the contravention did not occur because I was engaged in boarding a passenger to the vehicle under the assisted boarding exemption.

At the time of this penalty charge notice I was assisting my disabled family member to board my car. The person concerned had previously attended a consultation with Dr. Power, 37 Queensway, London W2 4QJ, and due to a walking disability had gone to the adjacent cafe to the surgery, to await my arrival. When I arrived, I was only able to park the car on the opposite side of the street to the cafe. This was also the closest place that would have been safe for me to assist them from the coffee shop to the car.

During the time from collecting my family memeber from the cafe, and assisting him to the vehicle, the warden who had previously issued the ticket had subsequently witnessed the situation.  He told me that he was not able to cancel the ticket because it was printing already. He had then told me he will make an additional note against the notes for the penalty charge and told me to contact the number on the notice which I have done so,  but the official who took my call asked me to write an appeal and submit this as verbal appeals are not acceptable.

I therefore request that this penalty charge to be cancelled on the basis that boarding and alighting passengers is an exemption to the restrictions in the parking bay. I will to this email attach a witness statement signed.


This was the challenge I had sent through
« Last Edit: April 14, 2024, 09:08:31 pm by cp8759 »