Author Topic: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed time - received PCN! (threads merged)  (Read 608 times)

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stamfordman

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TFL's pics from the video don't show the sign so all they'll have is some kind of library pic to show the adjudicator. You have your pic taken soon after. I think they won't contest this but obviously as it's an extra £80 at stake this needs thought.


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Thanks for the replies - I think my case is 50-50 as long as TFL doesn’t come up with a dated photo of a sign.
Is there any way of finding out when the parking use changed?

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I'll have a look for the traffic order. I had a quick Look yesterday but couldn't see anything.

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Thanks - that would be very useful. It would have to have been changed between 17/9/24 and 26/9/24 when I took my photo.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2024, 12:27:05 pm by Phf69 »

H C Andersen

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OP, the still from CCTV shows your car parked in the second and not first bay. The single(note, one not two as would be the case if it was the first bay) 'telephone' box is misleading and must have been placed since GSV.

Or have I misread the last post and photo? 

If you were in this bay, then let's focus on its restrictions alone pl.

Which were: RR Xam-Ypm; except ? between Oam-Ppm.


stamfordman

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Seems like OP was in first bay to me.

Phf69

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I was in the first bay seen in the photo - near the phone box. The second bay is for loading only, but I’m definitely not in that.
Now the parking restrictions are 10am to 4pm with the sign I took a photo of. The sign TFL managed to come up with shows 7am to 4pm, but that is undated. I’ve asked for FOI for when the restrictions were changed.

H C Andersen

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??

#15 shows a picture from TfL's CCTV.

The car is not in the first bay. If it was then:
There would be another bay ahead of it, but there isn't;
There would be two telephone boxes, but there aren't, there's only 1.


stamfordman

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See it now, HCA?

OP - not sure an FOI was a good idea.


Phf69

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Thanks. Why is FOI not a good idea? Is that because it will give TFL the answer to back up their case? I didn't really consider that, but, if they were going to come up with that evidence anyway, it just helps me decide whether to appeal. If they cannot find anything specific to the time frame I'll definitely appeal.

H C Andersen

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Thanks, thanks for the clarification, the visible longitudinal bay now makes it clear.

In short:
OP parked 17 Sept 2024;
GSV shows that since before 2014 the exception for BOTH bays has been 7am-4pm;
This is confirmed by GSV as recently as Sept. 2023;
However, the most recent GSV, June 2024 shows the sign is missing;
TfL's CCTV evidence does not include the first sign, it does show the second which gives the excepted period of 7am-4pm;

TfL have provided a photo of a sign in response to a FoI request, this shows a sign with 7am-4pm. However, it is undated.

The OP took a photo of the sign which they claim is now in situ on 26 Sept. This shows the excepted period is 10am-7pm.

Nobody has asked for the CCTV footage. OP, I suggest you do this now.

Also, register your appeal . 


IMO, you are barking up completely the wrong tree with 'did the traffic order change'?

Try a simpler explanation.

The restriction always has been 7am-4pm.
It still is.
The sign was missing in June.
A numbskull erected the wrong sign.
Nobody checked.
The contravention was observed by CCTV so a CEO hasn't checked.

This disposes of the PCN but does not resolve TfL's FOI response.

Let's see a copy please.


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Thanks so much for the summary! How do I ask for CCTV footage? The photo TFL supplied was with my appeal rejection.

H C Andersen

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Details are in the PCN pages. I can't tell you which one because I can only see the first of four.

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Ok, thanks - I will do.

H C Andersen

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And register your appeal.

Contravention did not occur as per your reps.