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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2024, 09:51:23 pm »
Quote from: cp8759 on March 30, 2024, 09:44:37 pm
Quote from: Neil B on March 20, 2024, 08:16:35 am
To submit your appeal you only need a free 'Certificate of Posting' from your local Post Office, nothing more.[/b]
For future reference, nobody should ever post anything to the tribunal PO Box: there is no guarantee documents will be received in time or at all. The paper appeal form for any TFL appeal can be scanned and emailed to queries@londontribunals.org.uk
After a hearing the other week in which the adjudicator had received none of my submissions at all, I now send a copy to all available addresses at the Tribunal.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2024, 09:52:53 pm »
Sorry, my post is now academic as cp has offered to deal with this.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2024, 01:41:28 am »
@Getawayred24 any updates on how you'd like to proceed?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2024, 10:22:58 pm »
Hello

Thank you for your messages I have received a letter from appeals court.

They have given ,me a hearing date this month Thursday 25th April 11am if anyone has any advice on how I can defend my case in court please feel free to send me a message or comment here

« Last Edit: April 03, 2024, 12:25:28 am by cp8759 »
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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2024, 12:26:59 am »
Well the first thing you want to do is call the tribunal and change the comms preference from post to email, the last thing you want to do is get communications form the tribunal 3 to 5 days after the authority.

I'm also going to drop you a PM as I don't think we have enough information to recommend a DIY appeal.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2024, 06:05:42 pm »
I’ve receive a full report from TFL SAYING they will be contesting the appeal I made they are bringing both my cases that I uploaded on here to be dealt with on the same day

My court hearing is 02 / 05 / 2024

If anyone has any pointers or can assist please get in contact

They have sent me the TfL CD TO view asWELL AS the TfL contesting package
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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2024, 06:14:22 pm »
Quote from: Neil B on March 20, 2024, 08:16:35 am
Quote from: Neil B on March 19, 2024, 12:40:42 pm
Quote from: Neil B on March 18, 2024, 10:55:11 pm
But I can see what I initially needed and you have until Sunday for London Tribunals to receive an appeal.
You may as well submit an appeal because the only other choice is to pay.

You don't need to go into any detail. You can just say 'I rely on my formal representations'.

Opt for a personal hearing (which can then be changed to a telephone hearing).

Then you will have a few weeks for people to comment on your case.
I note you haven't since logged in to the forum? Maybe you'be read what I said anyway?

If you do not either pay or submit an appeal by post TODAY you will receive another Charge Certificate, increasing the penalty and with no further choices.
To submit your appeal you only need a free 'Certificate of Posting' from your local Post Office, nothing more.
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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2024, 06:19:32 pm »
https://imgur.com/HtSOuAZ







Hi guys just an update if anyone can assist I know it’s very short notice but if anyone can give advice or assist without having to pay I’d truly be grateful however if I do have to pay please feel free to send me your rates


I have my day in court next week Thursday a weeek today 02/05/2024 at the tribunals court to appeal both charge notices I posted.

TfL have sent me a report saying they will be coming to Court to contest my appeal as they feel that they have enough information.

If anyone has any pointers or any cases I can look at that can support my/ case feel free to message me or respond thank you for your time
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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2024, 06:22:38 pm »
Quote from: Getawayred24 on April 25, 2024, 06:19:32 pm
https://imgur.com/HtSOuAZ







Hi guys just an update if anyone can assist I know it’s very short notice but if anyone can give advice or assist without having to pay I’d truly be grateful however if I do have to pay please feel free to send me your rates


I have my day in court next week Thursday a weeek today 02/05/2024 at the tribunals court to appeal both charge notices I posted.

TfL have sent me a report saying they will be coming to Court to contest my appeal as they feel that they have enough information.

If anyone has any pointers or any cases I can look at that can support my/ case feel free to message me or respond thank you for your time


https://imgur.com/0vFjkq6

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2024, 06:33:58 pm »










I hope all the images have shown

https://imgur.com/DXV5Cm2


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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2024, 10:13:09 pm »
@Getawayred24 well I did send you a PM with an offer of representation, and in the alternative Hippocrates has also said he'd be willing to represent you, I've never heard back.

We cannot help you by just looking at a couple of pages from the evidence pack, we'd need to see the whole thing. If you call the tribunal they can email you a PDF copy of the whole evidence pack, so you don't have to faff about scanning everything.

Also just to clarify, there is no court. You're dealing with the tribunal.

I strongly recommend you contact either myself or Hippocrates because as I've said before, I really think you need to be represented for a case like this.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2024, 09:35:24 pm »
Is it only paid help that’s available on this ap ?
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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2024, 09:50:15 pm »
Quote from: Getawayred24 on May 01, 2024, 09:35:24 pm
Is it only paid help that’s available on this ap ?
@Getawayred24 advice is free, there is no mechanism to charge people for advice on this site (and it would make the site name somewhat misleading).

If you want to ask someone to represent you rather than just give you advice, then representatives are at liberty to offer their services on whatever terms they wish. Some ask for a charity donation, some ask for their travel expenses, some might charge a fee and some might do it for nothing at all.

Of course you are not required to have a representative, you can just represent yourself and we will give you what advice can reasonably be given, but then you'll have to take that advice and do all the work of arguing the case yourself.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Re: TFL PCN RED ROUTE NO STOPPING AT ANY TIME EXCEPT 10AM-4PM LOADING MAX 20MIN
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2024, 09:30:47 am »
OP---I would concentrate on their refusal to cancel on the grounds of "mitigation".

When dealing with a disabled person that consideration should be at a much higher level because they have a public sector equality duty under the Equality Act 2010.

It seems obvious that there has been no consideration under those enhanced procedures. They have to have regard to your disability and their statutory obligation under the Equality Act 2010 to take your disability into account when considering your appeal. This is not simple "mitigation" as they put it and they should have fully explained why they thought your rights under the Equality Act 2010 did not merit cancellation of the penalty charge.

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