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NoR received: Is 3 days really enough notice for the signs?






Representation that was rejected:

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The contravention did not occur for the following reasons:

The Temporary Traffic Regulation Order (TTRO) amends the Newham (Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011 to apply Article 5(1) with "prescribed hours were at any time." As no existing "at any time" restriction exists on this road, the signs erected do not support the imposition of a temporary suspension. The signage fails to establish a lawful temporary parking restriction as required by the Traffic Signs Regulations. A TTRO also appears inappropriate for a partial bay suspension.

Walking forward from my vehicle, the nearest parking sign displayed no temporary suspension notice. My vehicle was positioned at the boundary of the alleged suspension area with no sign ahead indicating that the vehicle was parked in a suspended zone. Tribunal precedent requires suspension signs be visible from the vehicle's position.

The PCN should be cancelled as the alleged contravention did not occur.

If it is not cancelled, the following should be provided:
- Date/time suspension signs were installed
- Precise locations of all suspension signs
- Whether my vehicle was present within the suspension area when signs were installed
« Last Edit: October 06, 2025, 03:42:45 pm by neverpaying »

Any thoughts on the notice period of the signs?

It's not a NOR(Notice of Rejection), it's a rejection of informal reps by the recipient of the PCN.

Their response is incoherent, grammatically improper, wrong in law and just nonsense.

No-one cares a ***k about suspended bays, this is NOT the suspension of a parking bay - or if it is then it's the WRONG contravention - it's the suspension of a statutory provision(a parking place) and the substitution of a NO WAITING restriction.

No point rehearsing all the nonsense in their letter, just wait for the NTO. 
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NTO has been received now, although I am getting to it with only a few days spare because of my change in address.

Should I more or less re-submit the argument in the representations as part of my appeal? Or do I need to use additional ammunition at this stage?

Thank you.

Pl post the NTO, leave in everything except your personal details.

Have you now notified DVLA of your change of address?


Yes sorry, here's the NTO.




I guess I'll just do that then

Date of NTO and date of posting - 28 October.

Deemed served 30th which is Day 1 of of 28, the last day being 26th.

I would submit that the contravention did not occur.

The PCN gives a contravention of ********* which I dispute happened. In support, I refer to the authority's letter dated *** rejecting my informal representations, in particular the following:

Quote verbatim from 'When a parking place is suspended ..to ...before the suspension occurs.'

This clearly shows that the authority consider that the parking place was simply suspended, indeed this word and its derivatives occurs no less than 8 times in just these two short paragraphs. And yet despite this, the PCN refers to the breach of a 'waiting' restriction.

The issue here is therefore whether the imposition of a waiting restriction within these parking places was made lawfully, properly implemented as regards notice and conveyed adequately to motorists by traffic signs. For the reasons set out in my informal representations which should be read alongside these and for the reasons set out above I contend that the alleged contravention did not occur.

Some thoughts.
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Happy new year all.

I have been slow catching up with my letters and one of which was this NoR received on the 15th Dec. Their correspondence is a mess, not least with typos everywhere and poor image formatting covering critical information. And they have repeated their points from the representations stage.





They have once again ignored the material point about whether this was a waiting restriction contravention or a suspended parking bay. I am sorry I forgot to save the appeal I submitted at the NtO stage, but it is 90% the same as the representation, so they have ignored that point twice now.

Is there a way for me to view the appeal I submitted at the NtO stage?

I notice that on this forum there is a similar case on Tarling Road. I am trying to see if there is anything to take from that one to this one. Failing that, and without any further replies to this thread, I will likely lodge an appeal before the time runs out on Monday 12/01, using a similar approach to the rejected in/formal representations

I will be submitting this shortly as evidence for my appeal.

"The PCN gives a contravention of "01a Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order)" which I dispute happened. In support, I refer to the authority's letters dated 1st October 2025 rejecting my informal representations, in particular the following:

Quoting verbatim from that letter 'When a parking place is suspended, the suspension remains in force whilst the suspension sign is in place. You must not use a suspended parking space to park, wait, load or unload while the suspension is in force, even if it appears there is no work being carried out. Every effort is made to bring suspensions to the attention of residents/businesses in the area by: Displaying a sign showing the proposed suspension dates in advance before the suspension occurs"

This clearly shows that the authority consider that the parking place was simply suspended, indeed this word and its derivatives occurs no less than 8 times in just these two short paragraphs. And yet despite this, the PCN refers to the breach of a 'waiting' restriction.

The issue here is therefore whether the imposition of a waiting restriction within these parking places was made lawfully, properly implemented as regards notice and conveyed adequately to motorists by traffic signs. For the reasons set out in both my informal and formal representations which should be read alongside these and for the reasons set out above I contend that the alleged contravention did not occur.

From the picture taken by the CEO, the sign states 8am-6pm; the order states that the amended restriction applies only if the appropriate prescribed traffic signs are placed, the order implies that the restriction is "at any time" (there is no reference to 8am-6pm), therefore "appropriate traffic signs" have not been placed, therefore the order has not been implemented correctly and no penalties may be demanded because the specific contravention has not occurred.

The authority has twice failed to consider this substantive point that I have raised at both stages of the informal representations and the formal representations when the NtO was served.

I thank you for your consideration."

sorry i sent in wrong thread
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