Author Topic: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see the temporary traffic order?  (Read 4064 times)

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My tribunal appeal is next Tuesday. @H C Andersen was most helpful in collecting ideas and drafting an appeal. It seems they are no longer active on this forum.

I am happy to go on my own to this virtual meeting. I am unsure as to how I can strengthen my points, while addressing/undermining/countering their points listed above.

There was an earlier point by @stamfordman "If you parked and walked forward from the car the nearest parking sign does not appear to have had a temp sign. And in any case it seems to have been the nearest sign - numerous tribunal appeals have been won on this." - I will include this as well

The simple fact is, was there a sign on the nearest bay sign to you.

Also the use of temporary traffic orders in place of properly signed bay suspensions is often defective in signage and wording.

This case gives clues on signing.

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Case reference   225056061A
Appellant   Janet Chute
Authority   London Borough of Waltham Forest
VRM   LB02NTU
   
PCN Details
PCN   FR65860282
Contravention date   03 Jul 2025
Contravention time   07:36:00
Contravention location   Guernsey Road
Penalty amount   GBP 160.00
Contravention   Parked or loading/unloading during a loading ban
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   01 Apr 2026
Adjudicator   Edward Houghton
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   The Appellant did not attend the hearing. Her case is essentially that the signage was not clear and that in fact no works took place. I am satisfied by the Council’s reply as to the latter point.
Although the Council refers to the “suspension” of the bay it states” A Temporary Traffic Order was issued which applied to the whole of the road and these restrictions override pre-existing restrictions for the duration of the suspension.” This follows the normal practice in gully cleaning cases and is consistent with the sign used , which is not the three-sided sign normally authorised by the DfT for the indication of suspensions, but the rondel used for signs indicating a temporary waiting restriction. The white part of the sign is illegible but the amount of text on it is also consistent with a Temporary Traffic Order, as is the contravention for which the PCN was issued.
As this is therefore, as I find, a case of the imposition of a Temporary Order rather than the exercise of powers of suspension, in the absence of that Order I am unable to be satisfied that a contravention is made out.
Quote apart from these technical issues, important though they are , I would not have been satisfied that the temporary restriction was adequately drawn to the Appellant’s attention. In the case of temporary waiting restrictions where cones are not used it is particularly important that there are sufficient signs in place to make it very clear to the motorist that the normal parking arrangements do not apply. The single sign shown in the CEO’s photographs is not only mostly illegible but cannot be seen clearly in any of the photographs showing the vehicle.
As on the evidence I am unable to be satisfied a restriction was lawfully in force or that it was clearly signed the Appeal must be allowed.

Thank you for the case reference, I will include this in my evidence.

Regarding the relative position of the sign, I shared a map I made earlier, sharing again now:

There was no suspended sign in front of me:


Pl post the TTMO and the core TMO* which are included in their evidence pack as well as the photo(s) of the signage in the pack.

*- this is important because as far as I can tell from previous posts the TTMO refers to the core Order as regards its scope and we therefore need to see how this is framed and how it deals with 'Traffic Signs'.

As regards their reference to 'semantic distinction', the law thinks otherwise:


The Road Traffic (Temporary Restrictions) Procedure Regulations 1992

Sections 14, 15 and 16 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 enable a traffic authority (as defined in section 121A of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) to regulate traffic for temporary peri...
legislation.gov.uk

Pl post the TTMO and the core TMO* which are included in their evidence pack as well as the photo(s) of the signage in the pack.

*- this is important because as far as I can tell from previous posts the TTMO refers to the core Order as regards its scope and we therefore need to see how this is framed and how it deals with 'Traffic Signs'.

As regards their reference to 'semantic distinction', the law thinks otherwise:


The Road Traffic (Temporary Restrictions) Procedure Regulations 1992

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1992/1215/contents/made


In their 54 page PDF that they have submitted, this is the only TTMO that I can see, which is what was printed and attached to the yellow sign. It is also the only piece of evidence categorised under "Evidence Type B: Case Summary & Traffic Management Order"

Am I right in thinking that this actually is the TTMO and they have not provided the core TMO - is this something I can use against them?



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This Order does not restrict or change parking arrangements.

'..the general effect of which will be to close the roads listed in Schedule 1 below'.

Nothing to do with parking, let alone introducing waiting restrictions.

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This Order does not restrict or change parking arrangements.

'..the general effect of which will be to close the roads listed in Schedule 1 below'.

Nothing to do with parking, let alone introducing waiting restrictions.

Ha yes, I completely missed that it was different to the printed one on the sign. In their evidence pack, this is the only Order they have attached, so it seems to be a mistake on their part.

A very, very big mistake!