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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2024, 12:31:10 pm »
So if I am correct in understanding, I should just write in the contest "the PCN is not compliant owing to misalignment of the printer" and enclose a picture of the pcn without the payment slip. What would the reason be to challenge the PCN? Procedural impropriety or Other grounds?

https://ibb.co/dDnwK4d

Don't include the payment slip in the pic although that's where the PCN number and VRM are printed clearly. But the slip is not part of the PCN (I believe).
A good test is if you give the PCN to someone and ask them to immediately read out the key details.

Everyone I give it to jumps straight to the fine being £11.
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2024, 01:17:17 pm »
I would not cite any of the grounds. Choose other grounds.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2024, 01:33:36 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2024, 02:37:23 pm »
ok challenge submitted on other grounds. Not overly optimistic but we shall see I guess. Thanks for all your help thus far.
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2024, 05:15:44 pm »
Hi All,

I had to leave the country on the 3rd, and just got back today. On my return it seems that they have rejected the challenge put forth.

https://ibb.co/dB27c9F
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2024, 05:49:20 pm »
Please could you repost the right way up? Thnx.

EDIT - Done. Thanks to Stamfordman.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2024, 06:29:20 pm by John U.K. »

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2024, 06:19:36 pm »
It's a pretty illiterate rejection but presumably they say it's OK.


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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2024, 06:19:56 pm »
Please could you repost the right way up? Thnx.

Apologies. Here you go.

https://ibb.co/MGXrcFL
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2024, 06:48:49 pm »
What would my next steps be in this case?
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2024, 06:54:16 pm »
ok challenge submitted on other grounds. Not overly optimistic but we shall see I guess. Thanks for all your help thus far.
Please show a copy of the exact challenge you submitted.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2024, 07:02:36 pm »
ok challenge submitted on other grounds. Not overly optimistic but we shall see I guess. Thanks for all your help thus far.
Please show a copy of the exact challenge you submitted.

Reason for challenging the PCN?: Other grounds.
the PCN is not compliant owing to misalignment of the printer
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2024, 08:56:29 pm »
Wait for the Notice to Owner. This will go all the way and you may well win on the website's publication of the grounds which are rubbish. I would more than happy to assist at the Tribunal.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2024, 11:09:35 am »
Hi All,

I received a NTO a few days ago. Apologies I was quite ill so I did not post it here earlier. The NTO is dated 29 October.

What would be my next steps?

Edit: For some reason I still cannot seem to link pictures here with thumbnails. Its broken for me. Here are the links to the NTO:
https://ibb.co/PZGXWv2
https://ibb.co/nfhTL7C
https://ibb.co/WHx49X8
https://ibb.co/vwMTVZG




« Last Edit: November 11, 2024, 11:15:39 am by anonymous »
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2024, 11:43:49 am »
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Edit: For some reason I still cannot seem to link pictures here with thumbnails.

Here you go









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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2024, 02:10:11 pm »
thank you John
The other day, a parking enforcement officer stopped me and said “You can’t park here. It’s badge holders only.”

I looked them in the eye and said, “Good to know - I do have a bad shoulder.

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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2024, 03:58:54 pm »
OP, here are the regs which apply:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/schedule/2/made

I have not referred to the 'appeals' regs because they don't bear upon this matter.

Whether what's printed on the PCN is misaligned is not material because the regs don't refer to alignment! You are concerned with the regs and if the 'information' from one or more of the mandatory matters is not 'included' then these are your grounds(others will deal with any website issues).

So, what's not included?

IMO, it's obvious i.e. the penalty charge. And this is only obvious now because you've received the NTO.

Correct me if I'm wrong but your PCN states:
Penalty charge £11 

You have subsequently found out from the NTO that this figure should be £80.

Once one knows what the sum should be, then it's possible to see this in the PCN albeit that the reader has to ignore what is printed - £11 - and view the next line under a microscope knowing what one is looking for.

But as drivers are not blessed with the gift of clairvoyance, it would be and was impossible to determine with confidence the penalty being demanded by reading the PCN alone, and this is the correct procedural test. 

In the council's response to these representations, I would take it badly if they repeated the non sequitur of their rejection to my challenge with a reference to 'you also made an informal challenge' as if this undermines my grounds which it does not i.e. this permanently printed part was readable, because it was acted upon, which shows that all free field information must have been similarly readable.