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A ticket attached to windscreen for parking in a car park without a ticket.

When I had selected the car park and car on ringo it seemed to have no internet to complete the payment process despite being in the middle of Wimbledon. When I got internet again I continued the process but somehow it had reverted back to the most recent car park and car used which meant I paid for our other car to be parked in a completely different car park in a completely different borough instead.

No idea how this happened, I guess I wasn’t expecting it to change and so didn’t double check before purchasing. Is there anything that can be done? I’m very early days pregnant and nauseous and just didn’t double check when the internet finally came back.

Either way I will appeal. I have some good text from a previous appeal I did on my own a couple of years ago (and won) as follows, let me know if it’s worth incorporating (have updated the reasons for this case):

Government guidance https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-enforcement-of-parking-contraventions/guidance-for-local-authorities-on-enforcing-parking-restrictions suggests the following:

“An authority has a discretionary power to cancel a PCN at any point throughout the process. It can do this even when an undoubted contravention has occurred if the authority deems it to be appropriate in the circumstances of the case.

Under general principles of public law, authorities have a duty to act fairly and proportionately and are encouraged to exercise discretion sensibly and reasonably and with due regard to the public interest.”

In this particular circumstance, I am asking you to please cancel the PCN mentioned above on the basis that:

- I had selected the correct car park and car but there was a problem with the internet which meant I couldn’t complete payment
- when this was rectified I had assumed the same choices were still selected and had no reason to believe that it would have reverted to the most recently/frequently used options
- in the early stages of pregnancy I am feeling very nauseous which impacted in not double checking the entries were correct post the internet coming back.

The guidance permits cancelling PCNs, even with an undoubted contravention, where it is appropriate. It also encourages local authorities to be sensible and reasonable in these situations. This, I hope you will agree, is one of those situations, and therefore please could you cancel the PCN and confirm via email.

@cp8759 Is this a lost cause?
« Last Edit: April 21, 2025, 04:16:35 pm by cp8759 »

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Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Well the council photos do not show any signage, and your proposed draft concedes the following points:

1) that the location stated on the PCN is the location where the car was, but the PCN just says "Hartfield Road, Wimbledon" and your car was in a car park
2) you've conceded that there was a requirement to pay
3) you've conceded that there was adequate signage to inform you of the fact that there was a requirement to pay
4) you have also conceded that the description of the contravention matches the requirements imposed by the signs

At risk of stating the obvious it doesn't matter too much what actually happened, the only thing that matters is what each side can prove.

Based on what we know to date, the council cannot prove anything at all other than the fact that your car was parked somewhere and a PCN has been served alleging a contravention on Hartfield Road, that is not sufficient evidence for the tribunal to find that a contravention occurred or that a penalty charge is payable.

The more you say in the representation, the more notice the council has and the greater the opportunity they have to plug their evidential gaps, which you don't want because at the moment their case has more holes than a sieve.

For now please have a read of Lydia Russo v Plymouth City Council (PL00004-2401, 12 March 2024), and also tell us if you're the registered keeper.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Should I ask for the photo evidence they say they have? Yes I am the registered keeper.

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Ok so I have read through that adjudication, and the difference is the machine in the car park does give tickets, but does not have a provision to pay by card it looks like - see attached. So there would be the option to have a ticket in this car park, and therefore it isn’t just a virtual option in this instance.

The car park is called Hartfield Road Car Park though, which isn’t the location listed on the PCN.

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I attached some pics from Google maps but they’re out of date, but there were ringo signs that were visible, but nothing about the times these were in operation from immediately clear. I didn’t look much further as I logged onto ringo with the intention to find out more there.

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Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Should I ask for the photo evidence they say they have? Yes I am the registered keeper.
Absolutely not, the last thing you want to do is alert them to the fact that you might take issue with the evidence of signage.

To be perfectly honest in a case like this the best bet is going to be to wait for the notice to owner. The less information you give to the council, the better. At this point I wouldn't give them anything at all as you are not under any obligation to respond to a roadside PCN.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Ok so not respond to this roadside one and wait for the actual notice to keeper to be sent to me?

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Ok so not respond to this roadside one and wait for the actual notice to keeper to be sent to me?
That's what I would do.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Hi there, sorry to bother you - I am yet to receive a NTK - is that meant to be sent within a time limit? Will it operate in the same way as the PCN or will it just demand the full amount?

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It will demand the full amount but if you challenge it within 14 days, they will reoffer the discount again to discourage you from appealing to the tribunal. They have six months to serve the notice to owner.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Thanks so much for coming back to me. The detail I have seen on the council website and from researching is that you have to respond to a roadside PCN, it is legally enforceable - is that not the case? Do they have to give the discounted rate for another 14 days after the NtO or is that discretionary?

Also I went back to the car park and took photos. I don’t think the signage is adequate, but it does allow a ticket to be printed in the car park.

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Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Thanks so much for coming back to me. The detail I have seen on the council website and from researching is that you have to respond to a roadside PCN, it is legally enforceable - is that not the case? Do they have to give the discounted rate for another 14 days after the NtO or is that discretionary?
The only consequence of ignoring the PCN is that the council will send an NTO, which is exactly the same thing that will happen if you challenge the PCN and the challenge is rejected, so it doesn't really make much difference.

Reoffering the discount if the NTO is challenged promptly is discretionary, but in our experience to date Merton always does this. It's not guaranteed, but you'd have to be extremely unlucky to be the first person to be the victim of a new practice not to reoffer the discount.

The following councils have previously asserted that they would not reoffer the discount:

London Borough of Brent
London Borough of Camden
London Borough of Enfield
London Borough of Haringey
London Borough of Havering
London Borough of Islington
London Borough of Redbridge

But even those councils seem to reoffer it anyway in many instances.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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Do they have to give the discounted rate for another 14 days after the NtO or is that discretionary?

Why don't you ask them?

From the Secretary of State's Statutory Guidance:
Authorities should formulate (with advice from their legal department) and then publish their policies on the exercise of discretion. They should apply these policies flexibly and judge each case on its merits. An enforcement authority should be ready to depart from its policies if the particular circumstances of the case warrant it.

The process of considering challenges, representations and defence of appeals is a legal process that requires officers dealing with these aspects to be trained in the relevant legislation and how to apply it. They should be well versed in the collection, interpretation and consideration of the evidence, writing clear but concise case-specific responses to challenges, enquiries and representations, presenting the authority’s case to adjudicators.

Authorities should ensure that their legal departments are involved in establishing a processing system that meets all the requirements of the law.


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Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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That’s really useful - thank you so much for that extra information, I appreciate it.

The parking information in the car park doesn’t actually have a numerical value for the penalty included in the terms at all. I know on another PCN I have appealed against I utilised the parking eye sign where the amount of penalty is clear - is this not something councils need to do with their car parks?

Re: Merton - Contravention code 83 parked without displaying a ticket
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The parking information in the car park doesn’t actually have a numerical value for the penalty included in the terms at all. I know on another PCN I have appealed against I utilised the parking eye sign where the amount of penalty is clear - is this not something councils need to do with their car parks?
No, penalty charges (as opposed to private parking invoices) are set by statute and do not need to be displayed anywhere. They are required to be published but London Councils publishes them on their website, so they're covered.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order