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Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #15 on: »
Ok, thank you
And for the continuous contravention for the second one should I wait for the Notice to Owner?

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #16 on: »
To stick to process yes the NTO is next.

Wait and see if anyone else has thoughts.


Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
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One other point my dad has asked me to ask about, I'm not sure if it's pertinent at all - but the utility works that the parking suspension was meant to be for, never actually took place. I.e. no vehicles from Thames Water ever actually turned up in the street at any point during the suspension period. Does that give any additional grounds for appeal on the first PCN?

or to quite my dad's message to me directly:

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Can we take the Council to task for their utter incompetence and failure to have due regard to the interests of the council tax payers who finance their activities. I refer specifically to their failure to exercise even the most basic form of supervision/management/ oversight over the conduct of utilities which obtain parking suspensions in Merton and the consequent neglect of their (i.e. Merton Council's) statutory duties. These appalling failures are most clearly signified by the fact that NO WORKS were carried out during the Murray Road 19 to 23 May suspension and by the fact that in a phone call I had with the Council early on 23 May (when , as I requested, I was assured that the call was recorded) I gave them a 2 hour ultimatum, for EITHER (i) the suspension notices to be removed within two hours of my call OR (ii) Thames Water to be carrying out actual works in the street within 2 hours of the call. The Council took the point and the notices were removed within the stipulated two hour period. How on earth can a reputable local authority conclude that it is just and equitable to impose parking fines on council tax payers in these circumstances?

Bit of a long shot but I told him I'd ask on here before we pay the £80 for the first PCN
« Last Edit: August 05, 2025, 11:33:35 pm by r45 »

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #18 on: »
Well it may not be a long shot in that they are not allowed to enforce a suspension after the works have finished.

Maybe they knew they weren't going to take place at all at that time - if so I'd say the same principle applies but you'd have to take it further with a FoI and/or reps at second stage.

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Case reference   2240458559
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
VRM   LT16VZX
   
PCN Details
PCN   BZ5796295A
Contravention date   20 Apr 2024
Contravention time   19:15:00
Contravention location   Church Elm Lane
Penalty amount   GBP 110.00
Contravention   Parked wholly/partly in a suspended bay or space
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   12 Nov 2024
Adjudicator   Edward Houghton
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.

Reasons   The Appellant appeared in person.
His case is, as it has been from the outset, that the works for which the suspension was imposed had finished a week earlier. He has given me a detailed description of what those works looked like; and certainly there is no sign of them at the time of the CEO’s observation. The Council has provided no evidence to refute what the Appellant says. I am satisfied that his evidence on this point is truthful and accurate.
The Council’s position appears to be that even if the works had finished the suspension signage was still in place and this created a contravention. This is not so. Regulation 6 Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 is in the following terms.
6.-(1) Paragraph (2) applies to a sign placed for conveying to traffic a warning, information, requirement, restriction or prohibition of a temporary nature.
(2) The sign must not remain in place for longer than it is needed.
(3) Paragraph (2) does not apply in relation to a particular sign to the extent provision is made elsewhere in these General Directions about the removal of that sign.
By remaining in place a considerable time after the works had finished the sign was clearly in breach of this Regulation and was not lawfully placed.
It follows that the vehicle was not in contravention and that as it transpires the PCN was incorrectly issued.


Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #19 on: »
Thank you!

Is it worth me contacting them again through the Contact Us page on their site, making the above point? Or is it better to wait for the Notice To Owner then make formal challenge on 2 grounds:

1. no utility works ever took place so the suspension may not be considered valid (similar to case reference 2240458559)
2. regardless of point 1, the second PCN should not be considered valid on the grounds of Continuous Contravention

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #20 on: »
They probably suspended in good faith that works would be done but there does seem to be something odd about this.

I'm as sure as I can be that the second must be cancelled.

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #21 on: »
Thanks. Do you think I should message them through the Contact Us page on their site? Or wait for the Notice to Owner and do it formally

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #22 on: »
You could ask them if they are aware no works took place and when they knew.

What are you planning to do - go for both or just second?

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Case
reference

2180505318

Appellant xxxxxx
Authority London Borough of Hackney
VRM MW66 ORV

PCN Details

PCN QZ02624642
Contravention
date

07 Jul 2018

Contravention
time

07:13:00

Contravention
location

Queens Drive

Penalty
amount

GBP 130.00

Contravention Parked wholly/partly in a suspended bay or space
Referral date
Decision Date 01 Feb 2019
Adjudicator Alastair Mc Farlane
Appeal
decision

Appeal allowed

Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.

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Reasons The Council's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a suspended bay in Queens Drive on 7 July

2018. A penalty charge notice was issued at 07 13.

The Appellant states this was the second penalty charge notice issued to the vehicle within a 24-hour period.
The first was issued at 08 33 on 6 July 2018.As the vehicle did not move since the first penalty charge notice
was issued he contends that the second penalty charge notice should not have been issued. He states that
the first penalty charge notice was still on the vehicle at the time the second penalty charge notice was issued.

The Council has produced evidence to show that the location was suspended "24 hours a day" from Friday, 6
July 2018 to Sunday, 8 July 2018. The Council acknowledge that this was a second penalty charge notice
issued at the Appellant's vehicle in a 24-hour period and in the notice of rejection, dated 28 November 2018
state that "the other has already been cancelled".

However, it appears that the Council do not dispute that they cancelled the first penalty charge notice. This
would have been after the issue of the second penalty charge notice. It was the second penalty charge notice
that in law was void as this was a continuing contravention and it was the second penalty charge notice that
ought to have been cancelled by them, not the first. As I find the second penalty charge notice was void (which
is the subject matter of this appeal), this appeal must be allowed.

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #23 on: »
Well I would definitely ask for the second to be cancelled on the grounds of continuous contravention, and I'd like to ask them if they think the first (and second) should be considered valid given that no utility works in fact took place during the suspension period.

I could message them now something like the below and see what they say:

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Dear Merton,

Thank you for getting back to me with the information about when the suspension signage was put up. I would however like to raise 2 further points.

Firstly, during the suspension period of 19-23 May, which was purportedly for utility works to be carried out by Thames Water, in fact no such utility works took place. There wasn't a single Thames Water vehicle on the street at any point during that period, and no workmen carrying out works of any kind at any point during that 5-day period. I therefore would suggest that the PCNs should be considered invalid - there have been similar rulings in the past (e.g. case reference 2180505318) where the adjudicator has confirmed that suspension signage should only remain in place for the duration of any works, and if works are completed (or in this case never started) then the signage should be removed and no PCNs issued. I did in fact phone Merton Council offices on the morning of 23 May to complain that no works had been taking place throughout the week, and within 2 hours of my phone call the signage was accordingly taken down.

And secondly, regardless of the above point, I don't believe the PCN from 20 May (MT01121435) can be considered valid, on the grounds of continuous contravention. My vehicle did not move in between the first and second PCNs being issued (indeed I was away on holiday), and there have been many similar cases (e.g. case reference 2180505318) where the adjudicator has ruled that, following the issuing of a first PCN, any subsequent PCNs cannot be considered valid on the grounds of continuous contravention.

Please let me know, I am planning to formally challenge the PCNs on the above 2 grounds once the Notices to Owner arrive later this month, but I wanted to bring these points to your attention beforehand as I feel they are important.

Best wishes,
[name]

What do you think?

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #24 on: »
As they are responding to you I see no reason not to engage further.


Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #25 on: »
Seems they are not interested in either of those arguments  :(


Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #26 on: »
What an arrogant, mean spirited and ignorant response to one of their own residents.

See what others say about what to do.

I think the most you'd be risking is £80 by taking them both on.


Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #27 on: »
Thank you stamfordman

Does anyone else have any input on how to proceed? Shall I just wait for the Notices to Owner and then make a formal challenge along the above lines i.e.

1. no work was ever carried out
2. continuous contravention

Any other advice/input gratefully appreciated

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #28 on: »
We could do with someone else looking at this.

The safest thing to do is pay the first and contest the second but I'd be tempted to pursue the no works angle but not my money.

Re: Merton, Code 21 Parked In Suspended Bay, Murray Road
« Reply #29 on: »
Surely the key question is whether the organisation requesting the suspension told the council to cancel it.