Author Topic: Manchester City Council, Parked in a residents parking without permit, Heald Grove M14 4HA  (Read 407 times)

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Hi, hoping to get some advice on whether I have a case to appeal.


I accidentally parked in an area for permit holders. I was following maps on my phone and didn't notice a sign at the turn. I've parked here in the past (maybe a year or two ago) and there used to be signage and street marking on the actual road allowing 3 hours (I've posted a 2023 image since it is clearer but it's also there in 2024). I turned straight in and parked in what I thought was an ok spot. Didn't think much of it because I've parked here before. There were no signs on the actual street and no road markings. I saw the ticket when I got back and then realised there are signs on the entrances to the road. I turned in normally when I arrived and didn't notice the sign. I thought any signs would be in the road and there wasn't much time to read since it was a quick turn in and I had young children with me (including a 5 month old).


In the middle of the road there is a turn into a cul de sac type road which also has a sign stating permit holders only beyond this point. I find this strange because why would this sign be needed when it would be covered by the signage of the road I parked on.


Other roads in the area had signs on the actual road and line markings which would imply some sort of restriction.


https://maps.app.goo.gl/dR66PYft8VCypZ51A

https://imgur.com/a/56t1Reh

Do I have any case here to appeal? Thanks in advance for any replies

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Clearly the council considered that a repeater sign was needed at this location, and rightly so, because they have only put up a single sign at the entrance to the street. There are a lot of these restrictions around these days so one must be on the lookout at all times.  As the sign is missing, one could argue that the signage is inadequate in its current state.

The test here, to win at adjudication, is the question - "is the signage adequate to convey the restriction ? " The council will never give way, because they keep the money if you cough-up, so they will refuse all your reps, both informal challenge and formal representations.

The problem with "adequate", is it is subjective, your "inadequate", is their "adequate", and the only unbiased view is that of an adjudicator at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. This means you'd have to risk the full PCN penalty, there is no discount at the adjudicators.

Adequacy of signage is their duty in Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

I think you have a case on the grounds of inadequacy of signage, and the repeater sign was there once and is no longer there. So submit an informal challenge on this basis, but expect to get a Fob-Off letter. Post their response when you get it, as they may shoot themselves in the foot. The point is that the council posted signage on the implementation of the scheme that they considered adequate. But now it no longer is. As well as this, the existing sign at t he entrance to the parking for a group of terraced houses in a cul-de-sac misleads because if you miss the street entrance sign, this sign misleads you into thinking parking is allowed on the rest of the street. It is the usual Dog's Breakfast we see so often on this forum.

Thanks for the quick response, will do