Author Topic: London Borough of Redbridge - 53j - Failing to comply with a restriction - School Streets - Abbotswood Gardens Clayhall  (Read 2909 times)

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Good evening,

I hope you are well.

Please see below PCN received by the Mrs - she wandred in without realising she had to wait another 4 mins before entering the restricted street.  Worth appealing? If you require any further information, please let me know.  Many thanks



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she wandred in without realising she had to wait another 4 mins before entering the restricted street.
Please tell us a bit more, like why she didn't know what the end time of the restriction was.

Four minutes before the restriction ended is probably a bit to much for a de minimis argument. The other aspect is the council clock time against a time on a motorists car clock. Appeals have been won where the appellant stated that the time had passed  on his clock, but the council argued theirs was synched with an atomic clock so is always correct. The adjudicator decided in favour of the appellant on the basis that some difference in times must be allowed for. Let's face it, the council don't put their clock up at the restriction sign, so the only clock available is what the motorist has on his wrist or in the car.

Having said all the above, I think 4 minutes is borderline; you might succeed with one adjudicator and lose with another. So wait a bit to see what others say.


thanks for your reply, Ihave checked with the Mrs and the time displayed in the car was wrong so when she entered the zone she did not know it was still prohibited.  Anyway - I found this post below - do we have similar grounds for appeal? (Blue Term time sign)

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/london-borough-of-redbridge-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-school-stre/msg69309/#msg69309

do we have similar grounds for appeal? (Blue Term time sign)

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/london-borough-of-redbridge-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-school-stre/msg69309/#msg69309
I would say not, as the signs in your alleged contravention don't mention "term-time", but I'm sure the more learned members of the forum will better advise on this particular point.

Okay I will submit an appeal based on the de minimis argument and see what happens.  thanks

Good afternoon

Hope you are well.

LBR have replied to my appeal - please see response below and kindly advise - is it worth taking further or just settling now?

Thanks






It's up to you really. You don't have a strong argument, but with good adjudicator, you might win on the basis of the only clock visible on approach to the sign is the one in your car, which, whilst reasonably accurate is clearly not as accurate as the one used by the council, but the council have not placed such an accurate clock that they claim to use at the point of entry. There was a successful case some years ago where the adjudicator said there had to be some application of common sense, in view of the fact the motorist only has his own clock to rely on which may show a different time. Having said that, your are not a hugely strong ground with a four minute variance. Careful writing of the appeal emphasising the council demand absolute obedience to the times, yet do not place a clock to esure this. Let's face it, if they can afford the cameras they can afford a couple of clocks ?

Of course it's your money, so if you paid, the regulars on here, like me, will understand.

It's up to you really. You don't have a strong argument, but with good adjudicator, you might win on the basis of the only clock visible on approach to the sign is the one in your car, which, whilst reasonably accurate is clearly not as accurate as the one used by the council, but the council have not placed such an accurate clock that they claim to use at the point of entry. There was a successful case some years ago where the adjudicator said there had to be some application of common sense, in view of the fact the motorist only has his own clock to rely on which may show a different time. Having said that, your are not a hugely strong ground with a four minute variance. Careful writing of the appeal emphasising the council demand absolute obedience to the times, yet do not place a clock to esure this. Let's face it, if they can afford the cameras they can afford a couple of clocks ?

Of course it's your money, so if you paid, the regulars on here, like me, will understand.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, that makes sense. I can see how the “no clock at the point of entry” argument could be used, but it does sound like it would come down to how sympathetic the adjudicator is on the day. Given that it’s only a four-minute difference and not the strongest ground to fight on, we’ll probably just leave it rather than take it further.

Appreciate the advice and the context though, very helpful as always!