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Hi Folks,

I received this PCN on November 15th and I was shocked when I checked the video, I indicated turning right and there were oncoming cars and a series of cars in front waiting to also turn right so I had to slow down a bit and stop cos I knew I could stop on a yellow box when turning right if there were oncoming vehicles or cars waiting to also turn right plus I was not obstructing another oncoming vehicle. 

so I don’t understand this PCN

Is there any advice or grounds for appeal? I have attached a link to the PCN jpegs and video below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17mPhpzWdKYptrT3NUAnyuPUP22zRRRiO/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18Jb4ZIo5HQnyXv_IaXTB_gYZx_uKM99T/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18O-uL532HCWlpoZ4j0JV2K_JxQUfQ722/view?usp=sharing

Excellent advice.  Post up a draft in your own words for positive perusal.  I have an idea re the TWOC ground too:  taken without consent.

Excellent advice.  Post up a draft in your own words for positive perusal.  I have an idea re the TWOC ground too:  taken without consent.

Thanks. I will come up with this shortly

Hi All

this is my draft, I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks


Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

Re PCN AF97908565

Thank you for sending me the PCN referenced above. I am the registered keeper of this vehicle and I drove this car this same day.

According to the evidence provided in the PCN and the video footage supplied via your website,
I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the grounds the contravention did not occur.

First, the video available on your website does not show my vehicle entering a yellow box junction, and the contravention occurs at the point of entry, so this essential element of the contravention is lacking. Without evidence of the situation at that point in time, it is impossible to understand what the situation was before which caused my vehicle to enter the box junction.

I understand a penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the PCN is payable and this means it must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is quite a long road and probably has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location
Also, note the box marking extends beyond the junction. When I stopped, my vehicle was past the junction'.

Finally, I entered the box in order to turn right (the indicator is flashing). The video stops before the car exits the box but the car did enter the box for the purpose of turning right and seems to have been prevented from completing its right by stationary vehicles also waiting to turn right (indicators flashing), in the right position; right filter, plus the position of the car did not cause any blockage or disruption to other road user, on this basis, no contravention occurred.

In summary, from the footage provided, it is far from clear that any contravention has occurred and I look forward to you canceling the PCN at your earliest opportunity.

Yours faithfully,

I just edited your reps a bit

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

Re PCN AF97908565

Thank you for sending me the PCN referenced above. I am the registered keeper of this vehicle and I drove this car this same day.

As the registered keeper of the vehicle, According to the evidence provided in the PCN and the video footage supplied via your website,
I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the grounds "the contravention did not occur".

First, the video available on your website does not show my vehicle entering a yellow box junction, and the contravention occurs at the point of entry, so this essential element of the contravention is lacking. Without evidence of the situation at that point in time, it is impossible to understand what the situation was before which caused my vehicle to enter the box junction.

I understand a penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the PCN is payable and this means it must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is quite a verylong road and probably has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location

I also note that the box marking extends beyond the junction. When I stopped, my vehicle was past the junction between the two roads. Therefore the council cannot enforce this PCN because a YBJ only has effect in the area covered by the junction of the roads

Finally, I entered the box in order to turn right (the indicator is flashing). The video stops before the car exits the box but the car did enter the box for the purpose of turning right and seems to have been prevented from completing its right by stationary vehicles also waiting to turn right (indicators flashing), in the right position; right filter, plus the position of the car did not cause any blockage or disruption to other road user, on this basis, no contravention occurred.

In summary, from the footage provided, it is far from clear that any no contravention has occurred and I look forward to you cancelling the PCN at your earliest opportunity.

I would be tempted by be more forthright and assertive.

your input is much appreciated. Thanks

Edit as suggested by @Incandescent

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

Re PCN AF97908565


As the registered keeper of the vehicle,
I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the grounds "the contravention did not occur".

First, the video available on your website does not show my vehicle entering a yellow box junction, and the contravention occurs at the point of entry, so this essential element of the contravention is lacking. Without evidence of the situation at that point in time, it is impossible to understand what the situation was before which caused my vehicle to enter the box junction.

I understand a penalty charge notice must provide the grounds upon which the Council believes that the PCN is payable and this means it must include a sufficient description of the location. This PCN only states the location as the High Road, which is  a very long road and probably has a number of box junctions; as such it fails to adequately describe the location

I also note that the box marking extends beyond the junction. When I stopped, my vehicle was past the junction between the two roads. Therefore the council cannot enforce this PCN because a YBJ only has effect in the area covered by the junction of the roads

Finally, I entered the box in order to turn right (the indicator is flashing). The video stops before the car exits the box but the car did enter the box for the purpose of turning right and seems to have been prevented from completing its right by stationary vehicles also waiting to turn right (indicators flashing), in the right position; right filter, plus the position of the car did not cause any blockage or disruption to other road user, on this basis, no contravention occurred.

In summary, from the footage provided, it is clear that no contravention has occurred and I look forward to you cancelling the PCN at your earliest opportunity.

is this okay to be submitted as my representation? I need your input guys. Thanks

You can't wait for ever, so submit them. Councils reject about 99% of all representations, thus forcing you to cough-up, or take them to adjudication. To 'encourage' you to pay up, it is likely they will re-offer the discount. Then you will have to take a decision. You're already in for £65; going to adjudication doubles that but if you win you pay nil, and the council get no money.