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Liverpool - 12 - parked in residents or shared use space without permit but no PCN issued
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On many occassions, Keeper, along with many others, has parked without a permit in a location that is within a controlled parking area. Keeper is aware of the restrictions and consequences, but, until now, Keeper has never been penalised.

Keeper has now received an NTO dated 13/05/2026 in relation to a parking violation that occurred on 11/04/2026, but on no occassion has Keeper ever found a PCN affixed to the vehicle.

NTO refers to the expiry of the 14 day discount period and demands payment of the full penalty charge of £70.

If possible, Keeper would prefer to pay nothing due to the absence of a PCN, but, in any event, Keeper would like to request the discount to be re-applied. What is the best way to go about this?
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Post the NTO, redacting only name and address.
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The PCN was served on the car.

If the contravention is solid  and the signage is in place for a CPZ or permit parking area then the owner/keeper can make polite reps asking to settle at discount owing to PCN not there when driver got back - it looks a little insecure but they often go missing.

There are no pics of bay signage or entry signs. Was the car in a parking bay with a parking sign?



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The boundary to the zone is marked with plenty of signs that are not particularly clear as they plagarise the standard no waiting sign with some non-standard phraseology. The signs suggest no waiting but they do not communicate that parking is allowed for permit holders. The situation is confused by plenty of cars that are already parked in the bays in the area. The bays are not actual bays but just a continuous dashed line that runs parallel to the pavement throughout the area, at roughly a cars width from the pavement.

If people think the signage is inadequate then I will consider appealing the whole thing otherwise I will simply seek to get the discount reapplied.

Pic of the signs here:
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/CJsIXJy_xl.jpg


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So here is where the car was parked, in a marked bay: -
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Note that this view is 2022, the latest.
And here is a sign, about 5-6 yards behind where the car was parked: -
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The sign, however, is most peculiar !  It restricts parking from 1st August to 30th June, so basically the whole year. One has to ask why this restriction is conveyed in such an odd way. There is no need for any dates at all if a restriction applies all the time, and it could be considered misleading.

OP, could you tell us what made you park there,  when the sign is quite clear that it is for permit holders only between 10 am and midnight.
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Quote from: bobtheupholder on Yesterday at 11:33:30 pm
The boundary to the zone is marked with plenty of signs that are not particularly clear as they plagarise the standard no waiting sign with some non-standard phraseology. The signs suggest no waiting but they do not communicate that parking is allowed for permit holders. The situation is confused by plenty of cars that are already parked in the bays in the area. The bays are not actual bays but just a continuous dashed line that runs parallel to the pavement throughout the area, at roughly a cars width from the pavement.

If people think the signage is inadequate then I will consider appealing the whole thing otherwise I will simply seek to get the discount reapplied.

Pic of the signs here:
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/CJsIXJy_xl.jpg
The zone signs indicate a CPZ, which only controls single yellow lines. Parking bays still need signs. Are you saying the signs I posted near your car are not there any more, or are now different ? Seeing what is near your car is key to working up a robust appeal argument. Councils can be pretty dumb at signing.
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