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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
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Whilst you are waiting for the experts to chip in, please post up the rest of the Charge Certificate and have a read of

https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/

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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
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PM received. You made reps. so wait for the Order for Recovery.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 22, 2025, 02:37:50 pm
PM received. You made reps. so wait for the Order for Recovery.

Thanks, H

What is Order For Recovery?

I have attached all images below (and on the next post due to the attachment limit) so they're in one place:

1. Initial PCN
2. Screenshot of Lewisham PCN portal pre-repts
3. Reps letter
4. Their receipt of my reps



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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #18 on: »
cont.

final 2 images below:

5. Their letter to me dated 20th Feb
6. Lewisham PCN portal checked 22nd feb (post reps)

There has been no correspondence [at least none that I can find] between Jan 13th (the date I sent rep) and Feb 20th.

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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
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Enforcement process:

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/moving-traffic-pcn-enforcement-process

Wait for the Order for Recovery and then we will advise which box to tick and sign in front of a witness.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #20 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on February 23, 2025, 09:48:21 am
Enforcement process:

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/moving-traffic-pcn-enforcement-process

Wait for the Order for Recovery and then we will advise which box to tick and sign in front of a witness.



Thank you H.

I have just checked the link and I can see that I should receive the Order For Recovery in a couple of weeks.

And that I should be able to reply to that by checking the box marked:

"You made representations to the Enforcement Authority concerned but did not receive a Notice of Rejection from that authority; or"


When I receive the Order For Recovery I shall come back to this thread for your excellent advice.

Is there any worries at this stage that the fine will continue to snowball, and I may be taken to court? Should I be concerned and therefore just pay the £190?

Cheers again
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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #21 on: »
Just relax.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #22 on: »
Hello H,

We have just received the next letter. Please may you advise what we do now?

Thank you very much in advance.

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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #23 on: »
I don't know why you have included the last page which is part of the PCN,

Anyway, you tick the middle box and do not sign it until you either make an appointment with a solicitor and/or a court. The latter is free. Then copy it and send it to the TEC via e mail. You need to enter your full name and address.  No need to enter any details of your appeal.  Lewisham will then be informed by the TEC and refer the matter to the Adjudicator for directions. You must keep a copy of everything, especially your formal reps. and when and how they were sent.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #24 on: »
Thank you,

Do you have any guidance on how to identify and contact a court?

This feels quite serious, and I'm wondering if it's still worth it as I feel a little worried that it won't pay off.

Is this all standard procedure? It's all new to me. Thanks.
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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #25 on: »
I will PM you my phone number. Tis seemples! TEC will cancel the Charge Certificate and rescind the OFR. L'ham then must refer to the adjudicator which is where I can come in. For Gawd's sake do not pay anything!

« Last Edit: March 30, 2025, 09:27:22 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #26 on: »
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I'm wondering if it's still worth it as I feel a little worried that it won't pay off.
Worry not !! All 'in-time' statutory declarations must be accepted by TEC, (unless you fill the form in incorrectly!)
If it pays off, you're back to the £130 penalty with a possibility of the adjudicator accepting your reps, so you pay nothing. If not then its the existing amount on thhe Order for Recovery, no more. This is a process that has been undertaken by thousands of people since decrim. enforcement of parking and traffic offences came in; nothing strange or off=putting about it at all.

When filling the SD form in, remember that you are the 'Respondent', the council is the 'Applicant'. You just tick the relevant box, there is no need to put anything in the "Reasons" box.
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Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
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I have left a phone message. Relax. ;D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #28 on: »
Taking over the case now. They have reissued another NOR and their website demands £130 while the NOR states can pay £65. Not exactly the strict rules of golf. ::)
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Lewisham, PCN: 53j - Entering (timed) pedestrian zone, Hazelbank Road
« Reply #29 on: »
Cancelled today due to a formal complaint etc.  8)

Dear Sir or Madam

I am authorised as attached. My complaint is twofold:

1. Your website.

2. Your parking department's handling of this case.

Your website

This has been, and still is, not fit for purpose since it contains misinformation. The attached does not tally with the NOR sent to my client offering a discount. Furthermore, this issue has been the subject of many appeals at the Tribunal.

Your parking department's handling of this case

The 2003 act states that, when a NOR is not received and an  OFR has been signed to that effect, the authority shall refer the matter to the Tribunal. Therefore, I can do no better than state that the issue of the attached  NOR flies in the face of the law.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted

Desired outcome

In light of your parking department's departure from the statutory scheme, I request that the PCN be cancelled forthwith.

Yours faithfully

007

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It took them not very long to cancel. At least they had the sense and decency to cancel. I also phoned them on Friday and had a frank chat.

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I am also concerned by yet another PD from the CA bypassing councils' having to refer the matter to the Tribunal. This I did not know at the time of writing; but, I was prepared to go the full distance.

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Well done for staying the course. Let's hope more develops!

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/attention-all-recipients-of-pcns-from-lambeth-lewisham-andor-southwark-proposed-/

These three should face a Judicial Review re their websites.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2025, 08:36:13 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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