Author Topic: LBH&F PCN - 52M - failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles - Rivercourt Road  (Read 84 times)

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Hi there

Caught on CCTV driving on a restricted road, and have been issued with 2 x PCNs.

The contraventions took place in November '25, however the PCNs were only sent to me at the end of Mar '26. The vehicle in question was a hire vehicle. I've confirmed with the rental company that the initial PCNs were sent dated 19/11/2025, and that they processed the transfer of liability back to me on 21/11/2025.

I have a couple of issues:
* The signage is obscured until you've already turned onto the road in question (Google Maps link below)
* It's unclear to me why it would take >4 months to have the PCN sent out. It's difficult to remember the exact conditions at the time
* Can I receive a PCN for the same offence in roughly a 24 period here? It seems particularly harsh given the signage isn't clear

Imgur contains:
* PCN letters received from London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham (LBH&F)
https://imgur.com/a/xhtiOwx

This gives an overview of where the alleged contraventions took place:
https://i0.wp.com/www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Rivercourt-council-info-.jpg?ssl=1

Here's a view of the location on Google maps, illustrating how the signage isn't visible until you've already started turned onto the road (and off the A4) - trying to undo this manoeuvre would be dangerous:
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I can go and take a photo or video of the approach to the road if that would be in any way helpful.

Thanks very much for any help anyone can offer.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2026, 06:55:05 am by John U.K. »

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The process of transferring liability is that the hire company submit reps giving your name and address as the hirer on the day of the alleged contravention. The council then cancel the first PCN and then have 28 days to serve one on you.

So you should submit representations that the PCNs have been served out of time.

You need to use another hosting site because 'imgur' no longer serve the UK.

The location is very well known on this forum and is notorious for being probably the worst and most dangerous restriction ever introduced in London. So bad that the person who signed it off should have been sacked long ago. It does seem from your posting of alterations to the restriction that some person with more sense has taken over to make it a bit better. I see Rivercourt Road is now to be two way, and a mini-roundabout is to be installed to allow people to turn round and, (presumably)  return to the A4. I assume the actual restriction signs will be moved back to allow a motorist to turn round and return to the A4 in reasonable safety. However, we have not seen any of the signage associated with this change, and I don't expect Google Street View is yet up-to-date, assuming the new arrangements are now in force, but from your post, I suspect the original scheme is still in place

The signage on the A4 is a total disgrace and one wonders at the sanity of the people in LBH&F's Highways Department. Just look at this temporary sign: -
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How on earth are you going to see that with the very heavy traffic on this road ? Then there is this other temporary sign again easy to miss and also its all text so one must know the street name.
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Its just insanity, pure and simple. But of course it's a nice little trap to get the PCN penalty money in.

Your GSV link shows the original very dangerous set-up, with the signs placed as you turn in off a 40mph busy A4. There is no means of turning round, and one must be force to pass the signs. LBH&F have never let this restriction get to adjudication, because I am certain they would be excoriated for its bovine stupidity and dangerous nature.

What we need are up-to-date photos of signage on the A4 on approach, and also the signs on entry; is the proposed alteration implemented or not.

Also please tell us why you have typed "Monkleigh Road" in your heading, when the location from what your posted links, is Rivercourt Road ?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2026, 06:57:23 am by John U.K. »


The location is very well known on this forum and is notorious for being probably the worst and most dangerous restriction ever introduced in London. So bad that the person who signed it off should have been sacked long ago. It does seem from your posting of alterations to the restriction that some person with more sense has taken over to make it a bit better. I see Rivercourt Road is now to be two way, and a mini-roundabout is to be installed to allow people to turn round and, (presumably)  return to the A4. I assume the actual restriction signs will be moved back to allow a motorist to turn round and return to the A4 in reasonable safety. However, we have not seen any of the signage associated with this change, and I don't expect Google Street View is yet up-to-date, assuming the new arrangements are now in force, but from your post, I suspect the original scheme is still in place
@Incandescent Have you a source for the further alterations you mention?.
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Also please tell us why you have typed "Monkleigh Road" in your heading, when the location from what your posted links, is Rivercourt Road ?
I've hopefully corrected the thread title.

@JohnWick As Incandescent says, this is well-known here. Have a look at these threads

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/rivercourt-road-the-tmo/msg80972/#msg80972

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-types-of-vehicle-rmv-riverco/

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/rivercourt-road-pcn-x2/

The last has links to other threads which are relevant.

Do you drive the A4 eastbound often?  An important factor is the adequacy of the advance warning signs before the turn, and whether there have been any changes since last summer..

There was in May2025 talk of new signage - here
https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/a4-and-rivercourt-road-low-traffic-neighbourhood

Our member, @Bustagate has also produced a useful set of notes -
Some History Rivercourt Road was built in the late nineteenth century as a north - south residential road between King Street, Hammersmith and the Thames at Upper Mall. In 1905 the Royal Commission...
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AFAIK, no case has yet reached London Tribunals, with H&F folding, often at the very last moment. It's as if they are afraid of an adverse tribunak decision.

Please post up all sides of the PCN, (redact only yr name & address - leave all else in)

Before making any representations, post a draft here for constructive comment.

Open yr reps with the PCNs being out of time, as that would trump all other considerations.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2026, 07:45:47 am by John U.K. »

I only became aware of proposed alterations to Rivercourt Road in this thread, when the OP posted a council map of proposed changes.
It is clear that access off the A4 is to still continue, despite reverting Rivercourt Road to be two way. HOwever the council no doubt didn't want to upset the residents and also there is a need for access for emergency vehicles. If the installation is done well, a motorist turning in without the necessary permissions should be able to turn round and return to the A4 without passing restriction signs which need to be moved  beyond the turning circle.

Hi both

Here's an updated link for the image of the PCNs:
https://imgpile.com/p/qvhNRtS
Apologies for prior Imgur link.

Thank you very much for all the advice & context of this particular road.

I'll obtain photos of the road/signage tomorrow and will try to confirm if the implementation has changed.
My one comment on this is the implementation/signage may well have changed since the contravention, given it was months ago. I can't recall at all seeing any signage - as illustrated by those GSV links, they're not exactly obvious.

Apologies for the error on the thread title too - I'd used my prior post as an example and hadn't changed the road name in error. Thanks to John for correcting that.

I'll obtain the pictures of the road as a next step.

Thanks again.

Here's a couple of photos and videos showing the approach to Rivercourt Road, plus the road itself:
https://imgpile.com/p/zGXqUWY

I can confirm there's no turning point, and it's currently impossible to return back onto the A4.

The 'advanced warning' signage is tiny and easily missed. As shown on the GSV images earlier, it's really easy for it to be obscured entirely by other traffic. The signage on the entrance to the road itself is seen too late for it to be of any effectiveness.

I can't speak to whether the signage has changed since the incident occurred, given it was so many months ago. The angle of the signage does appear to have changed compared to the GSV images but impossible to say when.

It seems there's multiple angles of defence here, how should I best go about this?

Thanks very much for any help and advice once again.

OK, so looking at your photos and videos, it's clear that the proposed new layout is not yet implemented, and the signs are the same useless ones that are easily missed.

So your reps should concentrate on inadequate signage of the restriction, and in addition, point out that H & F had a duty under Regulation 6 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 to consult with other highway authorities, before implementing the traffic order, but failed to do so.

Thanks very much. Here's my draft on rejecting the PCNs on the following grounds:

"1. Procedural Impropriety: PCNs Served Out of Time
The alleged contraventions occurred in November 2025. However, these PCNs were not served until late March 2026 - a delay of over four months.

While I understand this was a hire vehicle, I have confirmed with the rental company that they processed the Transfer of Liability and provided my details to the Council on 21/11/2025. Under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, once the Council receives the hirer's details, they are required to serve a new PCN within a reasonable period (generally 28 days). A delay of nearly five months is excessive, violates the Council's duty to act with reasonable speed, and constitutes a procedural impropriety. As such, the PCNs should be cancelled immediately as they are served "out of time."

2. Inadequate Signage and Failure of Advance Warning
The signage at the junction of the A4 and Rivercourt Road is wholly inadequate and fails the test of "reasonable clarity" required by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD).

Approach from A4: The advance warning signs on the A4 are small, poorly positioned, and frequently obscured by high-volume traffic on this 40mph dual carriageway. A motorist focused on safe lane positioning cannot reasonably be expected to see, read, and comprehend these signs.

Point of No Return: The restriction signs at the entrance to Rivercourt Road itself are positioned such that they only become visible after a driver has already committed to the turn. Because Rivercourt Road is narrow and lacks a safe turning point (the proposed mini-roundabout and two-way layout are not yet implemented), a driver is forced to pass the signs once they have seen them. Attempting to reverse back onto the busy A4 would be a dangerous and illegal manoeuvre.

3. Failure to Consult (Statutory Breach)
I further contend that the Traffic Management Order (TMO) underpinning this restriction may be invalid. Under Regulation 6 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, the Council has a statutory duty to consult with other highway authorities (in this case, Transport for London, as the authority for the A4) before implementing such an order. There is strong evidence to suggest that the Council failed to adequately consult or coordinate with TfL regarding the impact of this scheme on the A4 trunk road.

4. Request for Continuous Contravention Treatment
Should the Council reject the points above, I request that the two PCNs be treated as a continuous contravention. Both charges were incurred within a 24-hour period before I was notified of the first alleged offence. It is a well-established principle at the London Tribunals that a motorist should not be penalised multiple times for a single "error of understanding" before they have had the opportunity to rectify their behaviour.

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Given the extreme delay in service and the notorious inadequacy of the signage at this location, which has led to many similar cases being cancelled or folded by the Council at the Tribunal stage, I request that these PCNs be cancelled forthwith."

Do you think I should include a copy of the email/confirmation from the rental company regarding the date they transferred liability (21/11/2025), or should I wait for the Council to provide their evidence pack if they reject this?

Otherwise, any amendments suggested? Thank you very much for your help here.

Looks good to me. They should fold on the delay in serving the PCN. This does look like they are trying it on, knowing most people just cough-up when they get the PCN