Author Topic: LB Havering, Code 73, Oldchurch Rise Car Park (near Queen's Hospital), Romford  (Read 277 times)

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Hello everyone,

Been a while since I last got myself in trouble, but a moment of absent-mindedness has landed me with a nice yellow envelope on my windscreen.

In fairness, I hold my hands up here - visiting an elderly relative in hospital and I forgot to pay the parking charge until I'd already been there for enough time to have the ticket slapped on.

However, as I've said on previous occasions - highly critical of the local councils in this area and their sheer inability to operate in the best interests of residents, so I'd rather not pay them a penny I don't have to pay them.

Any advice highly appreciated on technicalities I might win on here; otherwise, if the advice is "all in order, stop being daft and pay the discount", then happy to take that on board with grace too.

Front and back of PCN here:

https://1drv.ms/i/c/0a844cd793b2dfda/EYeX2FJzsgJFg3-ahfvYO4kBpndCKuebBEkBPmlw39nUmw

https://1drv.ms/i/c/0a844cd793b2dfda/EU1HPGCg0ipDqusmgq6SPV8BQXaP-8mXDUtFW1ykWBhePQ

Google Maps location here:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/WMt6PvDb2oFi99e1A?g_st=ic

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Did you buy a parking session later?

Anycompelling mitigation such as health issues?

I can't read all the details on the PCN but the contravention ia parked without paying, which seems to be correct. Issued at 17:40 and it's a 24 hr Mon-Sat pay car park I think.

If there's nothing to go on you are best paying the discount as Havering is not reoffering the discount on rejection even at first stage.

I did buy a parking session as soon as I realised. Ticket was issued at 17:40 and parking session booked (from inside the ward, I did not go back outside) around 18:00. And yes, the contravention itself is (I believe) correct.

In terms of mitigating health issues, are you talking about my own, or the person I was visiting? Assuming the former, I have fibromyalgia, which can come with brain fog. I've parked in this car park a dozen times over the past two weeks, and this is the first time I've forgotten to pay.

Noted on them not reoffering the discount - bit mean of them, the last PCN I had was a good while back from LBBD and they reoffered, so this is good to know. I'll see what others say, but I have some time to decide. If there's a chance I don't mind being a bit risky, but if not, no sense in giving up the discount for a done deal.

See if anyone has any other ideas - we can check the car park order and terms board. If you post the PCN details we can check pics.

But all I can see is a plea for discretion based on a one time lapse in not paying until a bit later and the brain fog, citing a dozen successful transaction there recently.

They have a duty to act fairly in the public interest.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2025, 12:20:31 am by stamfordman »

The PCN details are linked above in the original post (via Onedrive); let me know if there's any issue accessing them, and I can see if there's another way to host them.

I can read the PCN now. Pics aren't up yet but will check them when there are.

The back of the PCN confirms that no discount will be reoffered but they are duty bound to consider any strong mitigation without an eye on the cash. Sadly I think you don't enough unless you can produce medical evidence for yourself that caused forgetfulness on this occasion.

In most other authorities you could make a safe challenge and retain the discount.

Just note that if they reply within the discount period, it is still available to the appellant until the period indicated on the PCN expires  and any refusal to accept payment is unlawful. This was decided many years ago in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal in a Nottingham case. Of course the money must be received within the period, not just sent off.

Thanks Stamford. I do have a diagnosis letter from the NHS confirming fibromyalgia, but in all honesty I have zero faith in this council to account for it. As much as it pains me to admit it, if there are no technicalities in PCN wording, I may just pay the discounted fee.

Noted as well on your comments, Incandescent, and thanks for the advice. I'm loathe to leave it in their hands to reject me quickly, however - and post being what it is, even if they were to do the decent thing and not drag it out, there's no guarantee I'd receive the rejection in time. Gambling I can do, but only provided the odds are in my favour - not so with Havering council...

One further question on this one, if I could get a little more guidance before considering payment - I note they haven't yet uploaded the photos when I check the PCN. I suspect it's still enforceable even if they don't show the evidence?

Pictures aren't needed to enforce parking PCNs. Havering has been slow to put them up but you may as well wait a few days.
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