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Hi all,

The wife picked this one up. Looks bang to rights, but any advice on any possible technical challenge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

PCN: https://imgur.com/a/KOjb0Vl

GSV: https://maps.app.goo.gl/DSuE7pqGmzsP2de99?g_st=icI’

Video: https://youtube.com/shorts/-fp_bh193es?feature=sharea
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OP---Looks bang to rights.

This looks like the original set up:-

https://goo.gl/maps/3AsjypDinFjBSo1V8

I would contend that a 619 sign (flying motorbike) is required on the left and that the right hand sign is merely supplemental to that requirement.

The Council have to set up traffic signs properly under:-

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18/made

IMO the signage is inadequate but it would be a struggle to convince the Council.

Mike
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Many thanks for the info Mike.

We did have a look back in time on GSV (wife didn’t remember the restriction being there before) and saw the clearer signs from 2021. Signage is poor at the moment, as you say, so perhaps worth a challenge on that - signs have been poorly maintained?

But I’ve told her to prepare to pay!
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The traffic order is The Camden (Arlington Road Low Traffic Neighbourhood) Traffic Order 2022, I'm not aware of any flaws but someone else might spot something.
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Thank you cp8759 - much appreciated.
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Quote from: MMV Redux on July 16, 2023, 08:22:37 am
OP---Looks bang to rights.

This looks like the original set up:-

https://goo.gl/maps/3AsjypDinFjBSo1V8

I would contend that a 619 sign (flying motorbike) is required on the left and that the right hand sign is merely supplemental to that requirement.

The Council have to set up traffic signs properly under:-

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18/made

IMO the signage is inadequate but it would be a struggle to convince the Council.

Mike

Hi again Mike,

Regarding inadequate signage, I did a little digging and found this, (albeit from Southwark):

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/4680/DS-300-Overaching-requirements-and-principles-for-signs.pdf

It seems councils are ‘decluttering’, with respect to signage, so my idea about poorly maintained signage might be a no go-er.
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OP--Apologies I missed your response.

On decluttering, I would argue great! but the Council has removed the wrong sign.

We drive on the left and a driver would expect signage to be on the left in his or her sightline.

Mike
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+1 to Mike.
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