Author Topic: LB Brent 53J Failing to comply with a restriciton on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone  (Read 4247 times)

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Their photographic evidence - Evidence form J.



Thanks.

How could you argue against this?

OK, the photo gives a distorted impression of the sign's clarity because it's taken from a stationary position on the footway and head-on, but this isn't the view of a driver.

If me, I would also undertake a critique of the siting of the 2 signs at the beginning of Crownhill at this point. There are two of them parallel to the carriageway. But why?

Look at the road layout. Cornhill on the opposite side is one-way and the traffic island prevents any traffic from this direction (travelling NE) even attempting to enter the road. Manor beyond the junction is one-way(SE) so no-one could enter Cornhill from this direction. The only drivers who need to be warned are those travelling SE along Manor i.e. you. Given this particular layout why the F*** has the council placed a pair of signs parallel to the carriageway when even the most elementary analysis shows than ANY SERIOUS ATTEMPT to bring the prohibition to motorists' attention must mean that BOTH signs should be orientated towards the only traffic lane affected.

IMO, no-one has given any serious thought to the council's obligation to use signs to bring a prohibition to motorists' attention but instead just thought 2 signs, let's just stick them at the limit of road facing (non-existent in this case) oncoming traffic like we always do.

I can only see their Case Summary, where's the rest?

As regards the contravention, and assuming the prohibition exists, then the issue is one of signage. Your video shows the sign and GSV shows no sign, just where one might be if unfolded. But what does their photographic evidence show?

In the absence of any objective facts as to why, that driver did not see the advance sign is unlikely IMO to convince an adjudicator that there has been a regulatory failure on the part of the authority.

What does GSV stand for?

Photographic evidence shows a blown up camera shot taken on the opposite side of the road on the pavement where you walk!
The sign placement, is very poor as evidenced in their phorographic evidence. The advance sign on manor Pk Rd, is about 300 yds before Crownhill Rd and can be easily obscured by a passing or parked high sided vehicle. I was in the car (not driving) and the advance sign was not visible on the day that alledged contravention occured.

This School Street is a cash cow for Brent, as are the other School Streets in Brent with inadequate sinage.
GSV = Google Street View

Thank you all for the replies above. As I need to submit evidence to the Tribunal ahead of my hearing next week, I was wondering if it is worth submiting photos / footage from different vantage points to highlight the bad sign placement? Brent have overdone it with multiple signs for no right turn and no entry in the immediate surrounding area, and the school signs are unobtrusive to drivers. The pictures they submitted for evidence were taken close up and on foot directly in front of the sign on the pavement and on the opposite pedestrian side of Manor Pk Road.

If Brent have submitted photos to support their case, then you should do the same.

Will do. Thanks @Incandescent. Any other advice in relation to my Tribunal hearing next week?

Hello, What was the result of your appeal? I'm going through exactly the same situation after receiving a PCN for turning into Crownhill Road.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-brent-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestr/msg93197/#msg93197

EDIT - by John U.K. I've added the link to your own thread.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 12:39:31 pm by John U.K. »

Hello, What was the result of your appeal? I'm going through exactly the same situation after receiving a PCN for turning into Crownhill Road.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-brent-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestr/msg93197/#msg93197

EDIT - by John U.K. I've added the link to your own thread.


Waste of my time!

I assume you are referring to your appeal to LT not succeeding?
This one?
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Hello, What was the result of your appeal? I'm going through exactly the same situation after receiving a PCN for turning into Crownhill Road.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-brent-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestr/msg93197/#msg93197

EDIT - by John U.K. I've added the link to your own thread.


Waste of my time!

That's a shame, it's hard to decide whether to stick or twist, my initial appeal was refused by Brent Council and now after sending my reappeal to London Tribunals BC have just cancelled the PCN before we even had a date.