Author Topic: Lambeth - PCN 53j - Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter  (Read 1723 times)

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OP, for right or wrong you and the council are where you are i.e. the OfR was revoked and the CC cancelled by order of the court on the 25 April.

IMO, the penalty is therefore that prescribed i.e. £130 unless, ultra vires, the authority have issued a further CC.

The ball is in the council's court:


(11)Where a declaration has been served under sub-paragraph (2)(b) or (c) above, the enforcing authority shall refer the case to the traffic adjudicator who may give such direction as he considers appropriate.



(2)The statutory declaration must state that the person making it—

(a)

(b)made representations to the enforcing authority under paragraph 1 above but did not receive a notice of rejection from that authority;

(c)

Thank you for all the replies

all are helping so many in need of help and can be very confusing
My brain has not yet recovered fully but little better than how it was


I have been checking the website and today, it says ...


I have not yet received the letter from them.

I cannot believe I had lost the discount now I might have to pay extra for stupidly try to ask to be let off..





Am I stupid or the information was misleading to let me think I was allowed to informally challenge it in the first instance without losing the discount???

The call centre was unable to help and then closed, the chat bot system was not helping as it was going in the circle, there was no where to ask for guidance,

There are too many signs on the road added and added, they are un noticeable, unclear, misleading, confusing and rules change according to the borough, it is made to trick people to make mistakes so they can force the fine to make money?
some are time restricted if you don't have access to a watch, no way of knowing. 

It is no difference to phishing online.

I simply cited the current status on the website and I refer to the OP's last post above.
I don't think it was very clear, I've hopefully made what you actually meant a bit more obvious .
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

The call centre was unable to help and then closed, the chat bot system was not helping as it was going in the circle, there was no where to ask for guidance,

The council doesn't want to give you any guidance, they just want you to cough up the money without making so much of a fuss. You should not trust anything they say.

At the moment you have a revoking order so the penalty by law is not £205, at most it could be £130. As I said I think checking the website every day is a bit OTT and once a week is enough, as it might take two or three weeks for the council to process the paperwork.

For now aside from checking the website weekly, you don't need to do anything other than relax a bit. This is not a murder trial and there is a fair chance the PCN will ultimately be cancelled.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 01:06:57 am by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Unless others have said this, I would add that you should take screenshots of the page as it is and if it changes.

This may well be your get-out-of-jail card, so don't knock it, be grateful that they're idiots.

Unless others have said this, I would add that you should take screenshots of the page as it is and if it changes.

This may well be your get-out-of-jail card, so don't knock it, be grateful that they're idiots.

That's a fair point, and I would add this: there's not much point in taking a screenshot of just a small snippet: take a screenshot of the whole screen, with the council website maximised, and a small window showing the time.is website, like this:



That way there can be no issue about what the council website was showing on a particular date.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

I am not that good with posting images here. But, I mentioned the current status in good faith - which does not help Lambeth.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Is it just going into a loop?


Seems the council is just trying to stay unreasonable and make people to get fed up and pay

Unfair rejection hmm

Just keep them all as evidence against them.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r


Update :

The PCN online has changed the amount back to £130 ...





but also states I cannot challenge it again ...


I am in Kos at the moment - yet to take time off to sit under The Plane Tree.  ;D  Council should be in touch with you shortly after which I am most happy to represent.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Stop confusing yourself follow CP;s advice and once the order for recovery and charge certificate are revoked the dates will allow that the PCN cancelled

but also states I cannot challenge it again ...
I'm pretty sure that if you click the "Representation" button we can see in your screenshot, you will be able to make a representation.

Post a draft representation on here for comment and review.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Good morning
Swept through by Covid (yes it is still around)

@Hippocrates

I have received a letter from Tribunal must had arrived yesterday afternoon ...
Post at my place always delays.







nothing from Lambeth, no change on the website



I have to send everything to arrive at the Tribunal by 17th (with in 1 week) ... by post ???

So, send an e mail with the case number in the header and attach your representations as directed. I will PM you my details as you will need representation. Won another three against them recently. Any further assistance, just message me.

The last one:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lambeth-code-52-failure-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-types-of-vehicle/msg79064/#msg79064
« Last Edit: July 10, 2025, 09:49:49 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r