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Ok, thanks - so it sounds like evrything is in order with the PCN. I just need to get on and pay the fine.

NO.
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Hi Hippocrates,

Thanks, ok, would you have a moment to advise what I need to do? I have no idea what to appeal for.

Or if anyone else can give guidance?

@t23 I need the VRM and PCN details please. ASAP. PM sent. Please reply.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2026, 02:21:03 pm by Hippocrates »
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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@Hippocrates thanks, I've replied via DM.  :)

I will PM you a draft as I am too infamous and there is a bounty on my head. Draft sent.

In future, please do not redact the PCN and VRM details.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2026, 04:43:16 pm by Hippocrates »
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Good morning. No reply as of yet from Lambeth, annoying to have this hanging over us, whilst we wait for their decision. Does anyone know how long this might take and must they reply within a certain timeframe?

Thanks,

T23

Morning!

Lambeth finally replied and it's not good. They want £160. I was away when the PCN arrived over Christmas, so never had the opportunity to pay the reduced sum. @Hippocrates thanks for your help crafting the reply, not sure what to do with this though now.

I've uploaded their response here:

[img width=63.99305725097656 height=180.00001525878906]https://i.postimg.cc/3y1mVDQh/Lambeth-Reply-01.png[/img]

Any clues, should I go ahead and pay these theives?

T23
« Last Edit: March 08, 2026, 11:04:58 am by t23 »

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@Hippocrates

What did you say?
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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If they haven't re-offered the discount, is it now a complete no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals and test your case there. The penalty remains the same (£160), and there are no additional costs, and, of course, if you win, you pay nothing.

If they haven't re-offered the discount, is it now a complete no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals and test your case there. The penalty remains the same (£160), and there are no additional costs, and, of course, if you win, you pay nothing.

Thanks - what is involved? I am really short of time due to work and family. I guess they rely on most people being too busy to fight these PCNs, as part of their money making process. Would I need to attend the tribual? Chances of success? Hassle and costs?

T23

Here's what Google Gemini has to say on the matter:


I've analyzed the "Notice of Rejection" letters you shared. Lambeth is using a standard template here, essentially saying their signage meets the "Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD)" and that the cameras caught you in the zone during restricted hours.

However, they’ve left you a massive opening. Because this is Rosendale Road (Contravention 53J), you are in a unique position due to a major High Court ruling in May 2025.

The "Ace Up Your Sleeve": WDAG v. Lambeth
The West Dulwich LTN (which includes the Rosendale Road 53J restrictions) was ruled unlawful by the High Court (West Dulwich Action Group v. London Borough of Lambeth [2025] EWHC 1111 (Admin)).

The judge ruled that the council failed to properly consider resident concerns, making the entire Traffic Order invalid. Lambeth has already been forced to refund over £1.4 million in fines for this exact location.

What you should do now:
Do not pay yet. You have 28 days from the date of that rejection letter to appeal to the independent adjudicator (London Tribunals). This is free, and the council can no longer increase the fine while the adjudicator is looking at it.

In your appeal to the Adjudicator, use this specific language:

The Traffic Order is Unlawful: "The contravention did not occur because the Experimental Traffic Order (ETO) governing Rosendale Road was ruled unlawful by the High Court in WDAG v. LB Lambeth [2025] EWHC 1111. As the Order itself is invalid, the PCN has no legal basis."

Failure to Consider: "The council's rejection letter (dated [Insert Date]) fails to address the High Court's ruling regarding the illegality of this specific LTN scheme, which constitutes a procedural impropriety."

Signage Inadequacy: Reiterate that the signage placement at the junction does not provide adequate "advance warning" for a driver to safely divert before entering the restricted zone.

Well, I am a real Gemini and will PM you with my details for a quick call.

Sorted.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2026, 08:01:03 pm by Hippocrates »
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"