Author Topic: Kingston Borough Council – 31J Being in a bus lane. Eden Street E/B between junctions with Union St/St James Rd  (Read 885 times)

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Was driving home from the Theatre in Kingston following google maps. Approached junction as route given ahead was closed as you can see in the pictures. I’m not from Kingston so didn’t know where I was going and choose to go left. Didn’t realise it was a bus lane.
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Having looked on google maps, the bus lane isn’t signed correctly on approaching the junction. The signage feels inadequate and misleading as there are arrows on the road for straight ahead and a right turn but there is a pavement pole sign with an arrow ahead for other "Other Routes" and a arrow Right for " Esher (307) but no indication of a bus lane.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4093353,-0....i8192?entry=ttu
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There is another sign further up hidden behind this sign and not visibile from the junction
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4091537,-0....i8192?entry=ttu
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Given my preferred exit was closed as seen by the cones in the picture, and i'd missed the signage do I have a case to challenge this? The weather was also terrible and it was dark.
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PCN pictures:



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Video:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K899i3vZus...iew?usp=sharing
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Thanks in advance.

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As per the other thread!  PM sent.
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Dear Sirs

Ref:  PCN No.:
         VRM:

I challenge the PCN as the details below from the London Tribunal website clearly state the only grounds on which representations can be made.  Therefore, the last two grounds on your PCN clearly render it a nullity.  Therefore, it follows that the alleged contravention did not occur since you have clearly departed from the statutory scheme.



Yours faithfully,

Name:


Address:
 



https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/bus-lane-pcn-enforcement-process

 

Notice of Appeal


This is the form which the Enforcement Authority should send with their Notice of Rejection.

 

The grounds of appeal are the same as for making representations:

 

The recipient was not the owner of the vehicle at the material time;

There was no breach of the bus lane order/regulation;

The person in control of the vehicle at the material time was in control of it without the owner's consent;

The police are taking action.

 

I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Thank you. This is great.

Will let you know the outcome.

Dan

Please keep me posted. 8) And everyone else of course!
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"