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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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It looks like they are playing very dirty but I don't see how I can prove it or what I can do about it

There is something you can do about it. And, no, they're not playing dirty, just being their usual incompetent selves.

We see cases like yours a lot on this forum, and there is a backstop legal process to get the matter reverted to the Enforcement Notice stage.

After the CC, TfL must register the PCN at the Traffic Enforcement Centre, (the "court" which has no judges and no courtrooms). Only when this is done can they start to collect the debt using bailiffs. But they must give you a final opportunity to pay by sending you an Order for Recovery. This will demand the CC amount plus the TEC fee of £10.   Included with this will be the TEC form to submit a Statutory Declaration, (Form PE3). You can then submit this, ticking the box for "I made representations about the penalty charge to the local authority concerned within 28 days of the service of the Notice to Owner/Enforcement Notice/Penalty Charge Notice, but did not receive a rejection notice."
TEC will then cancel the OfR, and the CC and the matter will revert to the stage when you submitted your reps.

You must now be proactive and after the period for payment of the CC expires, contact TEC about every 7-10 days to find out if the PCN has been registered. Alternatively, you can look at the audit trail for your PCN on the TfL website to see if the PCN has been registered. You can then not bother waiting for their OfR, but download Form PE3 from the TEC website, fill it in, get it witnessed, (that's when you sign and date it iwth witness present), and send it off by email or post.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice


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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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FYI, these order for recovery came through. How can I send the PE3 by email? To what email address?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N0MRZJXFKj6aAbOizukWAWdx3dXseh25/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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tec@justice.gov.uk
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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It's going to adjudication. They appear to have patched the "unapproved camera loophole". What do I do now?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-dnqdqRHruaFI55huEa3xrGIns8BO3oa/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Wait for the OFR and TEC witness statement form.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Are the OFR/TEC-statement amongst the dossier of documents listed here?

If not, then should I expect them prior to the adjudication?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-sXSEqHsAbGHdAtJp-ZFKqjSYsaSzN2C/view?usp=drivesdk

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Please kindly advise. Cheers

Are the OFR/TEC-statement amongst the dossier of documents listed here?

If not, then should I expect them prior to the adjudication?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-sXSEqHsAbGHdAtJp-ZFKqjSYsaSzN2C/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Letter from ETA received today. Apparently we need to substantiate our witness statement and produce the original representation! 🤦🏻‍♂️
https://drive.google.com/file/d/108VGBY4aFDBPcW1Trd6P5cwTArUIux1q/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Have you kept copies of your original representation and challenge?
(A copy of the challenge, to which TfL replied, should be in the Evidence Pack.)

If you e-mailed it (Reply #10 above) check your 'Sent' folder.

If you cannot find a copy of your first challenge,  it is in Reply#3 above.

Then follow the instructions in the Tribunal letter.
I do not know if they will accept e-mail (not mentioned in letter) - ypu could 'phone them to double-check.

Post anyway - 1st class at any post office and obtain free proof of posting. Remember to include covering letter with Tribunal reference number.

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They will accept e mail.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: TFL Bus lane PCN at A13 Beckton exit
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Is queries@londontribunals.org.uk the correct email?

They will accept e mail.