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Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« on: March 13, 2024, 04:51:16 pm »
On behalf of a friend again -

Got a parking ticket for parking on his estate where he lives but doesnít have an estate permit yet. Council images and front/back of PCN in below link.

I noticed the CEO didnít take a close up of the sign that stipulates the contravention - wondering if this would stand in appeal?

Any help appreciated,
Thanks

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2024, 06:16:40 pm »
Photos are not a legal requirement. In addition, I cannot see anything wrong with the PCN. More info is needed on why he is living on this estate and parking but has no permit. What are the arrangements for residents who move in and also have a car ? Is it that they must buy a day permit every day until the yearly permit arrives ?

More info please

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2024, 10:05:25 am »
He just hasnít got round to getting the permit yet, the process of getting a permit seems relatively straight forward based on Islington councils website.

Looks like bang to rights on this one, was hoping for a PCN error or something but I think Iíll tell him not to risk the discount unless a Ďfailure to considerí could work.

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2024, 11:01:09 pm »
@iispartan this is a car park PCN, so there needs to be a board advising motorists of the same, and also of the terms and conditions of parking. If the council hasn't provided any of that, then there's a strong argument to be made here (how do you know it's a council off-street car park if they don't tell you?).

Can you please give us a link to the location, or as close as you can get to the location?

I also need to get hold of the off-street parking places order, but I need to know exactly where this is first.
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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2024, 04:57:18 pm »
@cp8759 fortunately my friend did appeal the ticket last week in order to extend the discount. But also he tells me he has tried to inquire for a permit but the council havenít got back to him.

The link to the location is here https://maps.app.goo.gl/xbww46WAX8t5GfLcA?g_st=ic

Iíll let you know once council has responded to appeal

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2024, 05:16:35 pm »
Appeal rejected. See response from the council here:

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2024, 08:39:46 pm »
@iispartan please tell your friend to wait for the notice to owner, and while we're on this topic please confirm whether your friend is the registered keeper and has the V5C from DVLA.

The Google street view image here shows a private parking sign, so really we need some updated images of the location to confirm exactly what the signage looks like now.

In the meantime I'll request the parking places order.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2024, 11:43:12 am »
@cp8759 my friend has told me that the yellow sign in your link is now gone and looks to have been replaced with the following

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2024, 11:50:15 am »
@iispartan can we get a photo from across the street please? It's hard to judge sign adequacy from a close-up.

Also are there any further signs inside the parking area?
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2024, 12:41:09 pm »
See link for addition pics. Let me know if you need anything else

https://imgur.com/a/hUpSitl

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2024, 06:22:42 pm »
Well there's nothing to tell you it's a car park, so you couldn't possibly know that you're in an off-street car park subject to an off-street parking places order.

I'd suggest your friend waits for the notice to owner, the notice to owner will demand the full amount but as long as it is challenged within 14 days the discount is almost inevitably reoffered, so don't worry too much about the discount.

In the meantime I've already requested the order form the council. Please can you confirm your friend is the registered keeper and he has the V5C, and also that the address on the V5C is up to date?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2024, 09:45:11 pm by cp8759 »
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Re: Islington - 85 parked without a valid permit
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2024, 08:28:20 pm »
Yes Iíve told him to wait for the NtO. All details up to date he tells me - Iíll let you know once NtO arrives