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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #15 on: »
Hi,

They have rejected my representation, pleas find the details attached below:

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/govf1Or_xl.jpg

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/tecHDeR_xl.jpg

Please could you advise of next steps, are they any chances of fighting it out or should i just pay this?
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #16 on: »
Hello Experts,

I was wondering if anyone had a chance to look at it yet?

Thanks
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #17 on: »
Their letter is the usual tosh we see so often. They keep referring to CPZ signs

A Permit Parking Zone cannot be part of a Controlled Parking Zone. All a CPZ does is control the restriction hours of single-yellow lines within the zone. So if this PPZ has no supporting traffic order, then PCNs for parking without a permit within it are void. The CPZ entry signs give no hint of a PPZ.

In fairness, they seem to have erected repeater signs as well as the entry signs. Frankly the only way to get a proper decision is to take them to London Tribunals, but you first would have to wait for the Notice to Owner, submit your reps again, but this time enhanced from our advice here. Once rejected again, you then can register an appeal at CC. Of course, you have to risk the full PCN penalty there.
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #18 on: »
Thanks for your reply on that, would someone from the experts here would be able to represent at CC and how much it might cost as I understand their time is also valuable.
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #19 on: »
You're getting ahead of yourself. This is still the informal stage, pl see the enforcement process here:

Parking Penalty Charge Notice enforcement process
This section explains the enforcement process for a parking Penalty Charge Notice, where the vehicle was not clamped or removed.
London Tribunals · londontribunals.gov.uk


As I posted earlier, they were bound to reject because they're in charge at present, they're stupid and money-hungry: what a lethal combination!

Anyway, IMO wait for the NTO and let's hope they mess up with this as well.

You are the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #20 on: »
Quote from: Incandescent on Yesterday at 11:51:09 pm
Their letter is the usual tosh we see so often. They keep referring to CPZ signs

A Permit Parking Zone cannot be part of a Controlled Parking Zone. All a CPZ does is control the restriction hours of single-yellow lines within the zone. So if this PPZ has no supporting traffic order, then PCNs for parking without a permit within it are void. The CPZ entry signs give no hint of a PPZ.

In fairness, they seem to have erected repeater signs as well as the entry signs. Frankly the only way to get a proper decision is to take them to London Tribunals, but you first would have to wait for the Notice to Owner, submit your reps again, but this time enhanced from our advice here. Once rejected again, you then can register an appeal at CC. Of course, you have to risk the full PCN penalty there.
Of course "CC" should have been typed as "LT" . I must be getting old, and I am getting old as I'll be 80 in July !! Maybe I should retire.
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
« Reply #21 on: »
Thanks for clarifying, my main worry here is, i have the option of paying £80 now which i will not have if i decide to contest this and it will become £160. I know for sure they will reject my formal reps and it will go to LT. At that point, if i need to take help from the experts here to represent, i might have to pay for their invaluable time which if it comes to £50-£60, i might as well pay £80 now and save all this pain for me and others.

Quote from: tincombe on Today at 09:09:56 am
You're getting ahead of yourself. This is still the informal stage, pl see the enforcement process here:

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process

As I posted earlier, they were bound to reject because they're in charge at present, they're stupid and money-hungry: what a lethal combination!

Anyway, IMO wait for the NTO and let's hope they mess up with this as well.

You are the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
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More often than not the discount is re-offered even after unsuccessful reps.

Why would you think you would not be successful at adjudication, their reasoning is total nonsense?
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Re: Hounslow, Code 12r, parked in residents. shared use without valid permit, Amhurst Gardens
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I meant not being successful at formal representations, I know I might win at adjudication level. I was trying to understand the cost involved once I reach the adjudication stage.

and dvla address is correct so that is all good.


Quote from: tincombe on Today at 10:49:15 am
More often than not the discount is re-offered even after unsuccessful reps.

Why would you think you would not be successful at adjudication, their reasoning is total nonsense?
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