Hillingdon Council Bus Lane - 8 Seconds over bus lane start time

Hi all,

As title suggests, PCN recieved due to being in a bus lane. Bus lane hours are from 4PM to 7PM. I am on video in the bus lane at 16:00:08. Im guessing there must be some leniency allowed due to it literally being only 8 seconds over the start time, with different clock timings etc. Hope to hear your thoughts.

PCN Letter

Kind regards

K

Unlikely to be a private parking ticket!

I have requested the moderators move this.

In the meantime, please read http://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

All pages please and I will be back.

Pl post the GSV link.

It doesn't appear they've listed all the grounds of formal appeal accurately at the front. It should include:

The grounds referred to in sub-paragraph (1) above are—

(a)where the penalty charge notice was served pursuant to the said section 4 or, where an enforcement notice was served, that the recipient—

(i)never was the owner of the vehicle in question;

(ii)had ceased to be its owner before the date on which the penalty charge was alleged to have become payable; or

(iii)became its owner after that date;

(b)that there was no breach of an order or regulations of the type described in subsection (2) of the said section 4;

(c)that at the time the alleged breach of such order or regulations took place the recipient was not in charge of the vehicle.

They have stated that "the vehicle was being used without the owner's consent", but there can also be a driver who has been given consent by the owner to drive if the owner was not in charge of the vehicle, so it's a bit inaccurate.

Actually it is more serious than that:

1. The PCN has been paid is a wrong ground.

2. Final statement says they will serve an Enforcement Notice of not ppaid and this flies in the face of the law.

Would be worth going to Tribunal over it, as the council have committed some major procedural improprieties. Also any bus lane penalty using the LLAA 1996 is winnable in any case in the fact that if the camera operator fails to attend it automatically means a win (in many cases they do not attend). You can draft an appeal based on the procedural improprieties and the fact that the video footage does not show any upright signage being passed. Don't forget to also ask for the camera certification, without it being approved by the State Secretary they are unable to use the CCTV evidence.

There is also the "de minimis" argument, in the fact that your car clock cannot be expected to be atomic, but I think the other points are stronger to use. A combination of them would be deadly.

I think I had better take care of this one.

Hi all,

Thanks for all of your replies, how exactly do we proceed?

Regards

K

Hi all,

Thanks for all of your replies, how exactly do we proceed?

Regards

K

Write and send an appeal to the authority. For example:

Dear Hillingdon Council,

I am appealing this PCN on the ground that the contravention did not occur. Your video footage does not show any upright signage being passed. Additionally, your Penalty Charge Notice is flawed, in the fact that “the PCN is paid”, not being a ground of appeal listed in the London Local Authorities Act 1996, and the fact that you describe the Enforcement Notice will be served, not may be served. You also list the “vehicle was being used without my consent” as a ground of appeal, which is also false, rather it should be that the person was not the driver at the time, as the keeper may have authorised the driver to drive the vehicle in the ground of appeal according to the legislation. These critical mistakes, result in a procedural impropriety. The PCN must be cancelled as a result. Please provide the certification for the camera used which complies with the London Local Authorities Act 1996 if you do not accept this appeal.

It doesn’t have be as detailed as mine, as they are guaranteed to reject it, so it can be as simple as:

I am appealing this PCN on the ground that the contravention did not occur. Your video footage does not show any upright signage being passed. I strictly require that you provide certification for the camera used in compliance with the London Local Authorities Act 1996. If you cannot I expect that this PCN is cancelled.

Hi all,

Thanks for all of your replies, how exactly do we proceed?

Regards

K

Not as per the posts below.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/schedule/1/enacted

Quote from: miirder on August 17, 2026, 05:43:49 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for all of your replies, how exactly do we proceed?

Regards

K

Not as per the posts below.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/schedule/1/enacted

What? If you check the section under admissibility of certain evidence you see that they need to be using a device authorised by Secretary of State so should provide a certificate for it.

What exactly do I put as my response to challenge it then? Seems to be conflicting answers. Thanks