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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
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@mairajbhaii let's start with something really basic, what is your connection to Innovation Edge Consultancy?

In any event I strongly recommend you don't send any representation to the council before putting a draft on here.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
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Hi,

So i have an authority letter from the Director of the company, as assigned driver for use of car for social and domestic use.

Its not any lease its just a mutual family consent from both sides.

M3iJi

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #17 on: »
Please post up the remaining pages of the PCN.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #18 on: »
Please post up the remaining pages of the PCN.

@cp8759, find attached all pages

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M3iJi

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #19 on: »
Its only this 1 page
Are you saying the back of that is blank?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
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@cp8759, what do i do next, as stil waiting for the vidoe but no response so far.
M3iJi

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #21 on: »
In the circumstances all you can really do is submit a representation stating that the alleged contravention did not occur. Send it online and take a times / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
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In the circumstances all you can really do is submit a representation stating that the alleged contravention did not occur. Send it online and take a times / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.

@cp8759

Submitting this as below:

The PCN served does not show video evidence on the council's website, and the alleged contravention did not occur.

Also the PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council
may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end
of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an
increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge
Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:

1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge
to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the
enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph
referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in
question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28
days beginning—
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M3iJi

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #23 on: »
In the circumstances all you can really do is submit a representation stating that the alleged contravention did not occur. Send it online and take a times / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.

@cp8759

Submitting this as below:

The PCN served does not show video evidence on the council's website, and the alleged contravention did not occur.

Also the PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council
may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end
of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an
increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge
Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:

1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge
to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the
enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph
referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in
question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28
days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date
on which the penalty charge notice is served;
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #24 on: »
In the circumstances all you can really do is submit a representation stating that the alleged contravention did not occur. Send it online and take a times / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.

@cp8759

Submitting this as below:

The PCN served does not show video evidence on the council's website, and the alleged contravention did not occur.

Also the PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council
may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end
of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an
increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge
Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:

1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge
to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the
enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph
referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in
question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28
days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date
on which the penalty charge notice is served;


FYI - fingers crossed  :'(

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M3iJi

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #25 on: »
To set your expectations, the council will almost certainly refuse and you will then need to appeal to London Tribunals, it's only at the tribunal that you get a fair hearing.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #26 on: »
OP, as I understand it:

You are not the registered keeper.

You have 'an authority letter from the Director of the company[to which the PCN was addressed], as assigned driver for use of car for social and domestic use.'

So, can we get back to procedure pl to prevent this from potentially unraveling.

You cannot submit a SAR in your name because you are a stranger in these matters and therefore not the 'subject'.

You could not submit reps in your name because the PCN is not addressed to you.

So, may we see the letter from the Director pl.

Was this enclosed with the SAR and PCN?

If not, to whom and when was it sent.


Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #27 on: »
@cp8759

I have just received letter from council citing issue of representation only be made by registered keeper unless I have the signed letter-head from keeper for all liable. plz see attached. what should be the course of action now??

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M3iJi

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #28 on: »
Did you send the letter of authority from the Director of the company together with the representation?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Hillingdon council 31J - Entering stopping box junction PCN HN71513688
« Reply #29 on: »
Did you send the letter of authority from the Director of the company together with the representation?

No, not with representation earlier, i got the letter later on from the director
M3iJi