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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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That sounds like a fair route to take especially as I didn't even notice any no stopping kerb markings when parking and when I looked again they are so faded and faint I don't think anyone would've seen them- thank you.
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I submitted an informal appeal which Havering rejected although still no pics on website. On 08/01/2026 received an NTO stating ‘to the right is a photo of your vehicle committing he alleged contravention’ but no photo. On the 13th I got an email stating ‘Good morning
Sorry for the delay in replying to your enquiry.
Please find attached the photos taken at the time of issue’ Am I correct in believing there is a procedural impropriety in that images should be supplied within a reasonable time as in:  The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 paragraph 3 (a) and 4 and not doing so has created an an unfairness.

I can supply images if requested.
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Havering Council Informal Appeal Process Possible Loophole
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I have been looking at Havering Councils almost definite informal appeal rejection and increase from 80 to £160 and believe there may be a problem with it. If you log onto the Parking [view evidence of your penalty charge notice with a webcode] https://www.havering.gov.uk/parking-2/parking-tickets-traffic-fines/3 It states:

View evidence of your Penalty Charge Notice with a web code

You are entitled to view video (if available) or a photo showing when your Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) was issued.

You will need the notice number, your vehicle registration and the web code from the PCN that was sent to your home address to continue.

You will also be able to see your how much the charge is.
How the web codes work

Please note this service is for PCNs sent by post as you can only view evidence by using the web code provided on the PCN sent to your address.

Tickets left on your vehicle don't have a code.

Web codes are for the formal representation stage of the process and are in the letter we send if the PCN is issued in that way (eg for a bus lane fine) or you have moved from an informal challenge (PCN on your car window) to formal challenge as part of the appeals process.

When I was issued a PCN I immediately logged on to the website and as may be remembered there were no images to be seen. I emailed the department requesting them and they sent them after issue of the NTO apologising for sending them late !! [The NTO has a blank image of the alleged contravention.]

As can be seen from the web page if you are sent a PCN through the post you can view the video/images immediately and take advantage then of paying at the lower £80 rate. However as you are not given the evidence held by Havering Council on a vehicle attached PCN you are held in a state of unfairness [possible procedural impropriety] and the council are raking it in.

Thoughts ?
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
« Reply #33 on: »
Let's see the pics.
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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Unfortunately, GSV has no street view here. Looking at the satellite view, the kerb blips seem rather too spaced out. One wonders if the yellow paint was in short supply the day they were painted ! However, the sign seems fairly close to your car, as it is outside the brick building with the arched windows. So not a hugely robust case on signage, I would say. Only way you'll find out is to take them to London Tribunals and as this is Havering, if you submit reps to them, which you have to do before you can take them to LT,  they won't reoffer the discount anyway. So it's cough-up the discount, or stand your ground and take them all the way.
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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I did some images of exactly where the sign is which I will post as long as some images of the lack of visible kerb stripes.
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
« Reply #37 on: »
images of the kerb

https://i.postimg.cc/T1nfM7B0/h1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/tTxHWvRG/h2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/MKx8fYCw/h3.jpg

Anyone can see the kerb stripes ?

Below are images of the sign and it's placement

https://i.postimg.cc/ZnLYvsHD/s1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/gj4d2XkJ/s2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/MKPqkQFY/s3.jpg
 
As can be seen the sign is in a place where no-one would notice it [I certainly didn't know it existed] and as was pointed out out to me years ago by my driving instructor that if you drive a car using one had on the steering wheel [using a steering ball/mushroom]you should not turn your head to one side as your shoulder and arm and thus the wheel diverts causing the car to move dangerously. Large signs are quite visible so any disabled driver can be at a disadvantage.   
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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OK, so you have some good points to present, but you'd have to present them to an adjudicator, because Havering will not give way, nor re-offer the discount so you have a choice, (1) cough-up the discount without submitting reps, or (2) stand your ground, submit reps, and when they're rejected, register an appeal at London Tribunals.

I think the chance of success is not slam-dunk, but pretty good as the kerb-blips are so worn. These must be there so you know when parking that there is a loading restriction without having to trek all over the place to find a possible sign.
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
« Reply #39 on: »
No 2. is my preferred option.
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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I have thought about this further as the reply to to the informal appeal states I have given careful consideration to all the matters raised in your correspondence. I consider,
nevertheless that the Penalty Charge should apply and have rejected your challenge for
cancellation for the following reasons.
Your vehicle was observed in High Street at 15:41:14 hours during a period when the relevant
order prohibits waiting..

If I remember correctly no waiting prohibits stopping but allows dropping off a passenger whereas the sign prohibits loading [whereas code 02 prohibits both]. [he sign being maybe a relic of the building the sign is in front of which used to be Romford Brewery many years ago and the windows now in place were previously doors].The said image in the NTO is blank but what would have the council put there, a pic of the vehicle parked wih no kerb stripes visible or the no loading sign or an attempt to photograph both in one frame which would be almost impossible ?
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Re: High St Romford parked by necessity
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The lack of clear kerb blips is the way to go as you had a blue badge exemption to yellow lines.

Havering doesn't reoffer discount so if they reject you have no incentive not to take it to the tribunal.

There is no stopping prohibition - single/double yellow lines concern only waiting restrictions - but yes you can wait briefly to board/alight passengers where there is also a loading restriction. But as that's not what you were doing it's not relevant.
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