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Hi everyone, I’m looking for some advice regarding a Redbridge PCN for stopping on a red route on High Road, Ilford.

I’m a licensed private-hire driver and had an Uber passenger pickup at this exact location. When I arrived, there was nowhere suitable to pull over because of the red-route restrictions. I couldn’t see the passenger, so I was preparing to drive around and look for them. I remained inside the vehicle the whole time and did not leave it parked or unattended. There was also a van in front of me near the loading bay which was indicating that he was moving, so I was waiting for him to clear the area.

The CCTV photo makes it look like I was stopped, but I believe the full footage will show that I was only there briefly and was actively dealing with a passenger pickup.

Has anyone successfully appealed a Redbridge Council red-route PCN (contravention 46n) in a similar situation, particularly as a private-hire/Uber driver? I’d really appreciate advice on the strongest grounds to use, whether there are any specific exemptions or arguments that apply to passenger pickup, and whether anyone has had Redbridge cancel a PCN in circumstances like this.

I can provide the Uber trip/job record as evidence and request the full CCTV footage. Any advice from people who have dealt with Redbridge red-route PCNs would be greatly appreciated.

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I think you'll struggle with this - it's a long stop and not obviously part of a manoeuvre.

But are you aware Redbridge doesn't exempt PHVs on its red route - TFL does.


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Haven't there been successful adjudications to the effect that there is no way of distinguishing tfl red routes from Redbridge's?

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Haven't there been successful adjudications to the effect that there is no way of distinguishing tfl red routes from Redbridge's?

Yes but Mr Burke for example is now refusing them as I think signage is now in place and it's been long enough and publicised for drivers to become aware.

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Case reference   226011592A
Appellant   Omar Mao
Authority   London Borough of Redbridge
VRM   EA68XUO
   
PCN Details
PCN   AF58572511
Contravention date   02 Feb 2026
Contravention time   18:10:00
Contravention location   Cranbrook Road
Penalty amount   GBP 160.00
Contravention   Stopped where prohibited on red route or clearway
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   27 Jul 2026
Adjudicator   Michael Burke
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   The allegation in this case is that the vehicle was stopped where prohibited (on a Red Route or Clearway) in Cranbrook Rd. The Appellant does not dispute this but says that he is a private hire driver and stopped only to pick up passengers. He has provided evidence of his private hire licence and a screenshot of the particular job.
The enforcement camera evidence shows the vehicle stopping on a double red line. It is consistent with the Appellant’s account, showing passengers boarding the vehicle. However, as the Highway Code makes clear the double red line always means ‘No stopping at any time’.
London Borough of Redbridge has no boarding/alighting exemption for private hire drivers on its Red Route. Nevertheless, I have previously allowed appeals on the basis that the vast majority of Red Routes are enforced by Transport for London who do allow private hire drivers to stop for boarding/alighting. I took the view it was fundamentally unfair for London Borough of Redbridge to enforce PCNs as the driver would not be aware that the exemption did not apply to the particular Red Route. For the following reasons I take the view that the situation has changed with the passage of time:
1.   The Enforcement Authority have provided evidence that information published by Transport for London makes it clear a small number of Red Routes are enforced by Local Authorities rather than Transport for London and that an accompanying map does not show this location as a Transport for London Red Route.
2.   The Enforcement Authority have provided photographs of signs indicating that this Red Route is operated by London Borough of Redbridge.
3.   The Red Route has been in place for some years now. I would expect any professional driver to familiarise himself with parking restrictions generally and any local variations. By 2026 a private hire driver would or should have been aware that London Borough of Redbridge does not have a boarding/alighting for private hire vehicles. I would also expect the professional driver to realise that Cranbrook Rd. was within the London Borough of Redbridge.
As the Highway Code makes clear the double red line always means ‘No stopping at any time’. In all the circumstances I am not satisfied the Appellant has established anything which goes beyond mitigation. The Enforcement Authority may cancel a PCN as a matter of their discretion. The Appellant asserts that they have failed properly to consider his representations but I am not satisfied he has established any such failure. An Adjudicator has no power to direct cancellation on the basis of mitigating circumstances.
Having considered all the evidence I am satisfied that the contravention occurred and that the PCN was properly issued and served. I am not satisfied that any exemption applies.

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Haven't there been successful adjudications to the effect that there is no way of distinguishing tfl red routes from Redbridge's?

Yes but Mr Burke for example is now refusing them as I think signage is now in place and it's been long enough and publicised for drivers to become aware.

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Case reference 226011592A
Appellant Omar Mao
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM EA68XUO
 
PCN Details
PCN AF58572511
Contravention date 02 Feb 2026
Contravention time 18:10:00
Contravention location Cranbrook Road
Penalty amount GBP 160.00
Contravention Stopped where prohibited on red route or clearway
 
Referral date -
 
Decision Date 27 Jul 2026
Adjudicator Michael Burke
Appeal decision Appeal refused
Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons The allegation in this case is that the vehicle was stopped where prohibited (on a Red Route or Clearway) in Cranbrook Rd. The Appellant does not dispute this but says that he is a private hire driver and stopped only to pick up passengers. He has provided evidence of his private hire licence and a screenshot of the particular job.
The enforcement camera evidence shows the vehicle stopping on a double red line. It is consistent with the Appellant’s account, showing passengers boarding the vehicle. However, as the Highway Code makes clear the double red line always means ‘No stopping at any time’.
London Borough of Redbridge has no boarding/alighting exemption for private hire drivers on its Red Route. Nevertheless, I have previously allowed appeals on the basis that the vast majority of Red Routes are enforced by Transport for London who do allow private hire drivers to stop for boarding/alighting. I took the view it was fundamentally unfair for London Borough of Redbridge to enforce PCNs as the driver would not be aware that the exemption did not apply to the particular Red Route. For the following reasons I take the view that the situation has changed with the passage of time:
1. The Enforcement Authority have provided evidence that information published by Transport for London makes it clear a small number of Red Routes are enforced by Local Authorities rather than Transport for London and that an accompanying map does not show this location as a Transport for London Red Route.
2. The Enforcement Authority have provided photographs of signs indicating that this Red Route is operated by London Borough of Redbridge.
3. The Red Route has been in place for some years now. I would expect any professional driver to familiarise himself with parking restrictions generally and any local variations. By 2026 a private hire driver would or should have been aware that London Borough of Redbridge does not have a boarding/alighting for private hire vehicles. I would also expect the professional driver to realise that Cranbrook Rd. was within the London Borough of Redbridge.
As the Highway Code makes clear the double red line always means ‘No stopping at any time’. In all the circumstances I am not satisfied the Appellant has established anything which goes beyond mitigation. The Enforcement Authority may cancel a PCN as a matter of their discretion. The Appellant asserts that they have failed properly to consider his representations but I am not satisfied he has established any such failure. An Adjudicator has no power to direct cancellation on the basis of mitigating circumstances.
Having considered all the evidence I am satisfied that the contravention occurred and that the PCN was properly issued and served. I am not satisfied that any exemption applies.

Does the TfL red route rules also apply for this? For example signage needs to be in place to enforce double red lines by CCTV. I can't see any in the clip and the authority needs to prove there are signs there.

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Thanks for the replies.

I appreciate that the photographs appear to show the vehicle partly on the footway, and I'm not trying to dispute what can be seen in the photographs. What I'm trying to establish is whether the authority's evidence actually proves the specific contravention alleged on the PCN and whether there are any issues with the location, signage, markings or circumstances that could provide grounds for an appeal.

The vehicle was there in connection with my work as a private hire driver and I was dealing with a passenger/navigation situation rather than deliberately parking on the footway to avoid traffic.

I'm aware that mitigation on its own may not be enough, so I'm looking for advice on whether there is an actual legal/procedural point worth pursuing rather than simply relying on the fact that I had a reason for stopping.

If the consensus is that the photographs clearly establish the contravention and there is no viable technical or legal ground, then that's useful to know as well.

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I posted the video...

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3. The Red Route has been in place for some years now. I would expect any professional driver to familiarise himself with parking restrictions generally and any local variations. By 2026 a private hire driver would or should have been aware that London Borough of Redbridge does not have a boarding/alighting for private hire vehicles.

What a load of cobblers!!!  Mr. Burke fails to comprehend that a PHV driver could be from anywhere in/around London, with Redbridge being just one of the city's 33 boroughs/districts.  It could also be the driver's first day on the job.

Similar road markings having different directives/rules at different locations should not be allowed!!

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I think Redbridge has now put up signs as Mr Burke notes.