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Re: Help please - to appeal PCN Cambrose avenue bus lane.
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We have won three: Two I did and MadMick Redux the other.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 05:09:10 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Help please - to appeal PCN Cambrose avenue bus lane.
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That's certainly encouraging.
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Hi Dan
Sorry to hear they got you too.  I am going to look at the tribunal page and see what I can gleam from there and try to put a case for my appeal to Harrow council.  I will post once I have read it all.  Hippocrates advice is useful so thanks too. 
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Re: Help please - to appeal PCN Cambrose avenue bus lane.
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2240378030 and 2230339702. The crucial issue is their rather dated evidence. Looking at other case results is, as they say in Spanish, sometimes a "falso amigo". One never knows what the evidence is.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 05:17:26 pm by Hippocrates »
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Help please - to appeal PCN Cambrose avenue bus lane.
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Hi Dan and Hippocrates
I have looked at the images and CCTV footage online.  The only footage is from the car entering the bus gate and you cannot see what is on the two signs either side of it.  I have typed out the following draft and attached it - this is what I am thinking of sending to Harrow Council to appeal the PCN. I would be interested in your thoughts please? Thanks. Dawn

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I like it but Hippocrates is the expert here. I'm following his direction and closely watching how Bustagate gets on this Tuesday.
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Hippocrates is the expert but I have to appeal to Harrow Council by tomorrow as am out the country after that, so I unfortunately, cannot wait until then. 
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At the adjudication stage you really need to have your ducks in a row, and will really benefit from having Hippocrates on your side, but at the appeal stage I think you can safely go with what you've written, because it looks like you're still at the stage of appealing to the Council. Even if presented with a watertight case, the council are very likely to reject, because they play the numbers and know a lot of people pay up at that stage even if they are on to a winner. After that you'll get a 'Notice to Owner', which is the point at which you can refer the case to the adjudicator.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2025, 09:17:24 pm by Grant Urismo »
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Ok - Thanks Grant for this.  I have read that the council usually reject them all at the initial appeal and hope people just pay up! I will put it in and see what happens. I am not feeling very hopeful though.
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Quote from: Dawn on April 27, 2025, 07:59:46 pm
Ok - Thanks Grant for this.  I have read that the council usually reject them all at the initial appeal and hope people just pay up! I will put it in and see what happens. I am not feeling very hopeful though.
They don't just hope, they know that people then cough-up. It's called 'gaming the system'.
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Quote from: Dawn on April 26, 2025, 07:43:07 pm
Hi Dan and Hippocrates
I have looked at the images and CCTV footage online.  The only footage is from the car entering the bus gate and you cannot see what is on the two signs either side of it.  I have typed out the following draft and attached it - this is what I am thinking of sending to Harrow Council to appeal the PCN. I would be interested in your thoughts please? Thanks. Dawn
@Dawn.  This is ok. Send it.
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Help please - to appeal PCN Cambrose avenue bus lane.
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Thanks @Hippocrates. I will let you know what happens.
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@Hippocrates - I am in process of completing appeal of PCN to Harrow council, and on last page it says “if your representation is accepted or the notice was given in error, it will be cancelled and you will not have to pay.  If we reject your representation you will have to pay the full fee (the amount will not be discounted” WHAT! I thought if you appealed within the 14 days to the council, and they rejected the appeal - you still had had the option to pay the £80 because the PCN was on hold whilst the appeal was being looked at! I now don’t know what to do and am left thinking “should I just pay the £80”!
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It always used to be like that. But regardless, we know they will reject whatever you write, and when you go to tribunal you forfeit the discount, so ultimately what's the difference? Are you prepared to take this all the way or not?

Don't be bullied by these con artists.
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As above, so below. Please do not join The Mugged Club.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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