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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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You can also say the font on car numberplates is exactly the same for zero and letter O.
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Quote from: stamfordman on June 11, 2026, 11:54:12 am
You can also say the font on car numberplates is exactly the same for zero and letter O.

Agreed! I'll have this post/crib notes open to prompt me during the call if necessary.
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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The font for numberplates has no separate "0" (zero), the "O" is used instead. see here: -
What Font Is Used On UK Number Plates?
What are the rules governing number plate fonts? We will explain the differences between the legal 'Prescribed Font' and 'Charles Wright'.
aplates.co.uk


YU'll see that the same character "O" is used for both numeric and alpha
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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The legislation doesn't indeed include zero so that the letter O is used as a zero really shouldn't be allowed.

The number 1 is included but not the letter I and the letter is not used presumably because of confusion but of course these two are also still confused...

The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001
These Regulations revoke and replace regulations 17 to 22 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 1971 and regulations 18 to 23 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensin...
legislation.gov.uk
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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The payment was successful, and I have attached a photo of the Visa payment receipt for the transaction that was issued by the machine at the time

Where is this pl?


The Council submits that upon purchasing parking time motorists are required to accurately enter the full vehicle registration by using the correct letters/numbers on the keypad (Evidence 17).

17. Photographs of keyboard at paystation

??

The requirement to enter the VRM must be in the Order. If it isn't and all it requires is payment, then this isn't at issue and your appeal must be allowed.

Where are items 19 and 20 pl?


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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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Quote from: tincombe on June 11, 2026, 02:50:18 pm
The payment was successful, and I have attached a photo of the Visa payment receipt for the transaction that was issued by the machine at the time

Where is this pl?



The receipt is below:





Quote from: tincombe on June 11, 2026, 02:50:18 pm


The Council submits that upon purchasing parking time motorists are required to accurately enter the full vehicle registration by using the correct letters/numbers on the keypad (Evidence 17).

17. Photographs of keyboard at paystation

??


Paystation & keyboard photos are below:






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The requirement to enter the VRM must be in the Order. If it isn't and all it requires is payment, then this isn't at issue and your appeal must be allowed.

Where are items 19 and 20 pl?

19 is here


20 is here


Apologies for not adding this all earlier.
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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The Video Hearing has now been set for 14/07/2026.
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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Thanks.

Nothing in the receipt which confirms the entered VRM. What exactly is the procedure and does it wholly rely on reading a small screen in what might be questionable lighting conditions?

The pay machine does not include 'wrong reg' as a contravention for which a penalty charge is payable.

I can't get into your links, if you just write the order's citation I should be able to access through the TPT Traffic Order library online.
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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So you look at the numberplate on the car, and you are offered the below keyboard choice. On the numberplate, the zero and letter O are identical. So what do you choose?

This is why some adjudicators allow appeals but not necessarily if you are on notice for a second 'offence'.

Of course the traffic order must also be put to the test.

This thankfully is also 'only' a punt of £25, the lowest such penalty in England and Wales.

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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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The ref for the case is MC00061-2606. Hopefully, this is what you need. I will also update the previous posts with links that work shortly.
Edit: Links updated.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 07:50:26 pm by Hardwired7223 »
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Re: Manchester Council, PCN code 73, Wrong Registration Entered (0/O) in Arndale Car Park
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27. Subject to Articles 29 and 35 of this Order, should no indication appear on the hand held
device that payment of the parking charge has been made or an indication that the parking
period for which payment of the parking charge was made has expired it shall be presumed
unless the contrary is proved, that either -
(a) the parking charge has not been duly paid tn respect of that vehicle, or
(b) the parking period for which payment of the parking charge was made
has already expired, or
(c) the free parking period has not been registered, or
(d) the free parking period has expired.

But from what I can see, you have proved and they have accepted 'the contrary'.

This is about failure to comply with the provisions in an Order, so which provision do they claim was breached given that they accept that the 'owner' who they are pursuing paid.

Have they highlighted the provisions which they are drawing to the adjudicator's attention? 
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