Author Topic: Harrow PCN Parked in residents bay without valid permit, BB holder, half of badge fell off dashboard  (Read 6001 times)

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If they contest you can add Mr Anderson's other points to your appeal. I expect they won't contest.

Hi All
So it seems they have contested. I have attached their evidence pack.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/raiuh8ac0h0848ap9lklf/ADzsA7su5XB6-OjZJW7ir_U?rlkey=tmpa21fgivlt7u60u9qsrtbex&st=8edo6yf0&dl=0

See files evi a to e uploaded today 10/4/25

Could do with some help drafting the counter appeal. Tribunal is on May 1st.

Thanks

Obviously they ought to lose on this:



And bringing up past PCNs is obnoxious.



« Last Edit: April 10, 2025, 04:32:42 pm by stamfordman »

@stamfordman - sorry i thought id redacted my personal info but the one you uploaded still has it in - please could you redact name and email?
i cant find it in dropbox - they all look redacted - strange!

btw of the 4 previous pcns they selected the 2 most relevant and even then the second one was a completely different location and a different issue re clock which was rightly won at tribunal.

the only previous one where badge fell off was years ago. and guess what this happens when you have a disabled person - 1 or 2 out of hundreds is hardly bad behaviour.

also im not appealing on badge falling off, im appealing based on alighting/unloading so the previous pcn is irrelevant,


I've deleted your name and email but your name will appear on the tribunal register of cases.

Harrow behaving very badly.

I'm sure Mr Anderson will be along with his thoughts.

I refer the adjudicator to the council's evidence, in particular this statement:

'In order for the boarding/alighting exemption to apply, activity must be seen taking place. The Civil Enforcement Officer noted the vehicle parked and unattended.'

I also refer to the council's references to previous PCNs which, although gratuitous as regards this PCN, give ample supporting evidence that I have a disabled father whom I transport regularly and who holds a Blue Badge which, between the two of us, manages on very rare occasions to fall metaphorically between two stools and literally on to a seat or into the footwell. It happens rarely, but it has occurred because the demands placed upon me when assisting my father can give rise to mistakes.

On this occasion, between us we managed to not display the badge correctly and were this to be the basis of my appeal then I could not take issue with being deemed to be in technical breach of conditions.

But in this case my appeal (as regards the contravention) is based upon the exemption under the Traffic Management Order of alighting, in this case assisted alighting, which brings the council's statement above into focus. As I understand it, an exemption is an exemption. It is not mitigation or a request to exercise discretion but an exemption. I respectfully suggest that this may be exercised as and when the conditions are met. I ask the adjudicator to infer from the council's statement that they are seeking to modify its application, by misstating the position in law, rather than examining a claim to satisfy themselves that it applies. I respectfully suggest that dismissing a defence of assisted alighting without proper scrutiny of the owner's assertion is improper and would be a procedural impropriety in itself as well as, in this case, rejection of a legitimate exemption based upon a false legal premise. I find it difficult to believe that the council have applied their framework against me alone and therefore had they checked their records and other adjudication decisions I believe that it could be stated that, to use their words, 'they have been advised on a number of occasions of the necessity and importance and assessing representations against the correct legal framework'.

I also suggest that this applies in respect of the procedural improprieties within the Notice of Rejection. As I understand it, the basic mandatory wording regarding the 'Duties of an Enforcement Authority as regards representations made' have remained unaltered since the Regulations were first issued in 2008, since when adjudicators have stressed to authorities the necessity and importance of conveying the meaning of these duties correctly. In my case the NOR states:

'You have 28 days from the date of this letter being served to..'

It then refers to the owner's statutory right to appeal and their power to issue a Charge Certificate under this umbrella condition.

However, the regulations stipulate that the applicable period is no later than the end of the period of 28 days beginning on the date of service, not from. I understand that adjudicators have consistently found that whether the effects of the 'extra day' are beneficial to the driver or not (and they cannot be as regards the adjudicator's power to not register appeals made late, even by one day) misstating these mandatory provisions is grounds for allowing appeals for procedural impropriety. 

I respectfully ask the adjudicator to find that the contravention did not occur and that there have been procedural improprieties by the authority and therefore allow my appeal. 

Some thoughts.





Thanks so much to both Stamfordman and Andersen.

I'm not sure i understood everything in Andersen's response but I got the gist!

The question i have is do i need to include my formal appeal in this appeal as well or will the adjudicator read that before reading this one?

The part that i think i would like to emphasise more strongly is that they didn't even at all consider the exemption at either formal or informal appeal. they've only considered it now and said it wasnt seen so not allowed. so would it be made stronger to highlight that they failed to consider the exemption at all all the way through.


also I don't know if anyone bothers to read or understand the medical evidence, but from that alone It proves that he needs help from having cognitive and physical impairments (brain bleeds, multifactorial breathlessness and balance issues etc) irrespective of the BB i.e. there are lots of disabilities and his are multiple and severe.
if they gave him a disabled bay outside his home it wouldnt be an issue, but because he is too disabled to drive, and i drive him he doesnt get one, and we get penalised repeatedly for as you say genuine mistakes which very occasionally happen as that is life. 


and we get penalised repeatedly for as you say genuine mistakes which very occasionally happen as that is life.

No. Stick to your defence of assisted alighting..which means you cannot park but must stop, assist, return and move if a BB is not visible. And surely you would have known had you returned as soon as practicable after assisting, wouldn't you!

I don't know the details because I wasn't there. But the facts only fit the defence if unfortunately the CEO appeared while you were assisting because if what you did was park, think you'd displayed the BB, left your vehicle, albeit assisting your dad, and then stayed with him then your defence collapses because you did not display the BB as required and therefore only have mitigation, not a statutory defence.

But the PIs should withstand scrutiny and succeed anyway because they're objective.


sorry, known what?
I was merely talking about the badge dropping off.
I noticed when i returned to drive off. I didnt notice when i returned to offload shopping as i went to the back of the car not the front. I am not certain of exact timings.
Had the CEO hung around im sure he would have seen, but i didnt see anyone only the pcn.

I was asking if we should highlight that the exemption was not considered at all during any appeals or if you think this is irrelevant?

I would go with HC Andersen's write-up - you can add that assisted alighting was not considered at informal/formal stages too. This will come down to whether the adjudicator finds you a credible person, which I'm sure they will.

One thing occurs to me - not maybe to overegg your father's disability as the alighting exemption here depends on you leaving after necessary time and I presume he was ok to leave.

thanks stamfordman.

OK - that's what takes the time, getting him in without falling - his bedroom is downstairs so he lives in a microenvironment and once in and seated with the shopping unloaded he's ok to shuffle just at ground level (ie no steps etc) where everything is within reach.









How about this?

I removed the line about "metaphorically between 2 stools" as i didnt understand it and added a line about the council failing to consider the exemption at informal/formal appeal stages.

The other thing i was wondering is what about unloading - if you recall there were 2 trips, one to assist dad into the house and the other to unload the shopping. the latter is missing here though i dont know how much it matters. i did include it at formal appeal though.


Thanks



I refer the adjudicator to the council's evidence, in particular this statement:

'In order for the boarding/alighting exemption to apply, activity must be seen taking place. The Civil Enforcement Officer noted the vehicle parked and unattended.'

I also refer to the council's references to previous PCNs which, although gratuitous as regards this PCN, give ample supporting evidence that I have a disabled father whom I transport regularly and who holds a Blue Badge which, between the two of us, manages on very rare occasions to dislodge on to the seat/footwell because the demands placed upon me when assisting my father can give rise to mistakes.

On this occasion, between us we didn’t display the badge correctly and were this to be the basis of my appeal then I could not take issue with being deemed to be in technical breach of conditions.

But in this case my appeal (as regards the contravention) is based upon the exemption under the Traffic Management Order of alighting, in this case assisted alighting, which brings the council's statement above into focus. As I understand it, an exemption is an exemption. It is not mitigation or a request to exercise discretion but an exemption. I respectfully suggest that this may be exercised as and when the conditions are met. I ask the adjudicator to infer from the council's statement that they are seeking to modify its application, by misstating the position in law, rather than examining a claim to satisfy themselves that it applies. I respectfully suggest that dismissing a defence of assisted alighting without proper scrutiny of the owner's assertion is improper and would be a procedural impropriety in itself as well as, in this case, rejection of a legitimate exemption based upon a false legal premise. I find it difficult to believe that the council have applied their framework against me alone and therefore had they checked their records and other adjudication decisions I believe that it could be stated that, to use their words, 'they have been advised on a number of occasions of the necessity and importance and assessing representations against the correct legal framework'. To reiterate, the council also failed to consider the exemption both at informal and formal appeal stages.

I also suggest that this applies in respect of the procedural improprieties within the Notice of Rejection. As I understand it, the basic mandatory wording regarding the 'Duties of an Enforcement Authority as regards representations made' have remained unaltered since the Regulations were first issued in 2008, since when adjudicators have stressed to authorities the necessity and importance of conveying the meaning of these duties correctly. In my case the NOR states:
'You have 28 days from the date of this letter being served to..'
It then refers to the owner's statutory right to appeal and their power to issue a Charge Certificate under this umbrella condition.
However, the regulations stipulate that the applicable period is no later than the end of the period of 28 days beginning on the date of service, not from. I understand that adjudicators have consistently found that whether the effects of the 'extra day' are beneficial to the driver or not (and they cannot be as regards the adjudicator's power to not register appeals made late, even by one day) misstating these mandatory provisions is grounds for allowing appeals for procedural impropriety.

I respectfully ask the adjudicator to find that the contravention did not occur and that there have been procedural improprieties by the authority and therefore allow my appeal.

my other question is do i upload everything i put at formal appeal again ie the medical evidence etc or i presume they will get that from the previous uploads and the council pack?