Author Topic: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to court ADVICE NEEDED!  (Read 6276 times)

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Thank you, I just spoke to the dealer I bought the car from and he sent me the link for requesting coc from BMW!

But how do I proceed regarding the councils fines...?

What email address did they provide? eccoc@bmw.co.uk perhaps?

As I understand it a Certificate of Conformity only applies to cars originally built for the EU & UK market. A Japanese market car wouldn't have one.

And indeed the UK BMW site says here:
"Please Note: Not all vehicles have a Certificate of Conformity available, this is dependent on original manufacture specification and age of vehicle. If your vehicle was originally manufactured for a non EU market there will not be a Certificate of Conformity available.

We can only provide a Certificate of Conformity (if available) for vehicles originally sold to the UK market or EU vehicles coming into the UK for permanent registration."


I guess it doesn't cost anything to ask. So try anyway.

Do you know which tax (VED) band the car is in? How much does the VED cost?

Please post up the 1st pages of both NTOs. Only redact your name and address.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2025, 02:42:41 pm by Enceladus »

I have already posted those...

Does anyone have any advice on how I should proceed?

Very terse and not particularly helpful.

I'll ask again, pl post the key items of your correspondence with the council.
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OP, you are making this hard.

As it stands you have two PCNs that seem to have been correctly served.

The choice is to do what I suggested - ask to pay one at discount and for the other to be cancelled over the dispute - or ask for both to be cancelled. For the latter we think that depends on how difficult they were being but without the material we can't know.

What we do know is there must be solid procedural impropriety should you end up with two full price PCNs to take to the tribunal as it can't apply mitigation.

OK I will just give it a shot and see what happens. As you say they seem correctly served, thays not in dispute really, let's see what happens, I'm asking for a bit of leniency towards a resident who was in discussion over a permit when I was ticketed. Let's see what happens I guess

Could someone please advise if the representation has to be made by post only? Can it be done online? Also what is the deadline if the notice letter says 18/08 (date of nto)? on it?

Many thanks!

It would be very unusual these days if Harrow doesn't have an online system. What does it say on the NTO?

https://www.harrow.gov.uk/parking-permits/parking-fines-traffic-violations/2

What is the difference between the first appeal at £70 and the appeal I'm about to do at £140?

£70!

The penalty has always been £140. £70 is the discounted amount which the authority must accept if paid within the 14-day period commencing on the day each PCN was issued. After this they're entitled to pursue the full penalty.


What is the difference between the first appeal at £70 and the appeal I'm about to do at £140?
The first is an informal challenge, annd can be submitted by either the driver or the owner. The second is a formal representation against a Notice to Owner, and only the owner can submit this, or his authorised representative. However responsibility for a PCN always rests with the owner.

Obviously I know the difference in pounds is 70 pounds I was just asking if there was any difference in terms of the appeal process all the people who are going to be reading the appeal, and why would they treat it any differently to the first appeal?

Formal reps are often considered more carefully. Plus if they reject and don't reoffer the discount they'd have to contest the case at the tribunal if they want most of the penalty, which costs them time and a fee.

Hi, I have now received two rejections from my appeal and being told I have 28 days for an independent appeal. Pls find the letter attached. Any help and guidance would be gratefully received, thank you.

I don't seem to be able to upload but letter is standard rejection and here is the text:

Penalty Charge Notice (parking ticket) number:HR77160681
Date of contravention: 03 Jun 2025
Location: WEST STREET
Vehicle registration: RF63ZNE
Thank you for writing to us.
We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided not to cancel your Penalty
Charge Notice (PCN).
There is a sign where you parked that explains that the space you parked in is for people
with a permit.
You were issued a PCN for parking without a permit that was both valid and clearly
displayed. Even if you have a permit, you have to display it so that a Civil Enforcement
Officer (CEO) can see all its details.
I note your representations stating that you were in the process of trying to arrange
the correct permit for this vehicle, and that the Council's permits department were slow
to respond, but that did not authorise you to park in a permit holder's space until this
was resolved.
If you did not have a valid permit to display as required at the time this PCN was
incurred, you should have parked at an alternative location, as you were not exempt from
this restriction.
You have 28 days from the date of this letter being served to:
• pay £140.00; or
• appeal to the Parking Adjudicator using the enclosed form. The Adjudicator can ask one
side to pay costs if he or she believes, for example, that they have been wholly unreasonable. However, the Adjudicator rarely asks either side to pay costs. The
Adjudicator is independent and both sides must accept the Adjudicator's decision.
If you do nothing
If, after 28 days, you have taken no action, we may send you a Charge Certificate increasing
the charge from £140.00 to £210.00. You will then have 14 days to pay the increased
charge. If, after the 14 days, you have not paid the increased charge, we may apply to the
County Court to recover the money - plus court costs - from you.
How to pay:
• online at www.harrow.gov.uk/pcn and click 'Pay'.
• by phone on (020) 8424 1220
Yours sincerely
Parking Representations Officer

So you've ended up with two full price PCNs. You can take these to the tribunal but bear in mind we said it can't apply mitigation. An adjudicator can recommend cancellation or reduction to discount but it is not binding.

Harrow may not contest them but probably will.