Author Topic: Harrow Council parking ticket outside my home - going to court ADVICE NEEDED!  (Read 18096 times)

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You must discover how to post documents. If you appeal, then you would need to post elements of their evidence pack. Pl read the READ THIS FIRST section.

By way of example, you have omitted the date of the NOR.

IMO, the NOR as you have transposed it is defective in THREE respects:

If fails to notify you correctly of your statutory right of appeal;
It fails to notify you of the adjudicator's power to register an appeal submitted late;
It fails to notify you correctly of their power to increase the penalty.

Each one is a procedural impropriety and collectively they give you a very good chance at appeal IMO irrespective of the merits of your other representations.

You have to decide whether to appeal.



Thanks for the above - so you are suggesting those 3 points are stronger case than the actual issue I'm debating them on? Do they charge for the next step in this appeals process?

I have launched the tribunal appeal and received a hearing date in April next year. Does the council contest these generally or do they give up at this point sometimes?

Thanks for the above - so you are suggesting those 3 points are stronger case than the actual issue I'm debating them on? Do they charge for the next step in this appeals process?
There are no additional charges or costs at the adjudicators, just the PCN penalty if you lose. Nil to pay if you win, of course.

I have launched the tribunal appeal and received a hearing date in April next year. Does the council contest these generally or do they give up at this point sometimes?

It'll likely depend upon their workload next March/April. You won't find out earlier IMO.

It looks like my tribunal hearing will go ahead end of April as I've not heard anything to the contrary. Does anyone have any advice on how to go about it?any thanks!

I have launched the tribunal appeal and received a hearing date in April next year. Does the council contest these generally or do they give up at this point sometimes?


Have you been allocated a case no?

Have you elected for a personal hearing(by telephone or video) - this is recommended as against a decision based upon the papers?

What exactly have you submitted to the tribunal thus far?

Hi, I haven't submitted anything as yet, it's been such a long time since I received a date - it's a Google teams meeting...

Pl see the READ THIS FIRST (deals with posting docs/images) section at the top of the forum's first page. I don't see how it's possible to progress this without seeing actual documents, none of which has so far been posted as far as I can see.

It's possible that the council might not contest, but who knows?

As far as I can see, H C Andersen's comments regarding procedural errors were based upon what you posted, not seeing the NOR itself.

On what you have shown so far, your best point is not really that the council were slow and awkward, although they plainly were, but whether the actual Notice of Rejection is legally defective, because if it misstated your appeal rights, the late-appeal position, or the council's power to increase the penalty, that is procedural impropriety and is a proper appeal point rather than just a fairness complaint.

If the documents do not prove that sort of defect, your next best course is to put in a short, tidy chronology with the key permit emails and explain that you were trying to renew, the same vehicle appears to have been treated inconsistently across permit years, and you bought the higher permit once the matter became impossible, but you should be realistic that this is more a discretion argument than a knockout legal defence.

So the practical answer is simple: get the actual documents in order, rely on any defect in the Notice of Rejection if it is there, attend the Teams hearing, and keep your explanation calm and factual, because adjudicators decide cases on evidence not indignation, however richly the council may have earned it.
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On what you have shown so far, your best point is not really that the council were slow and awkward, although they plainly were, but whether the actual Notice of Rejection is legally defective, because if it misstated your appeal rights, the late-appeal position, or the council's power to increase the penalty, that is procedural impropriety and is a proper appeal point rather than just a fairness complaint.

If the documents do not prove that sort of defect, your next best course is to put in a short, tidy chronology with the key permit emails and explain that you were trying to renew, the same vehicle appears to have been treated inconsistently across permit years, and you bought the higher permit once the matter became impossible, but you should be realistic that this is more a discretion argument than a knockout legal defence.

So the practical answer is simple: get the actual documents in order, rely on any defect in the Notice of Rejection if it is there, attend the Teams hearing, and keep your explanation calm and factual, because adjudicators decide cases on evidence not indignation, however richly the council may have earned it.

Thanks for this reply - very good advice. My only question is how would I know whether I can get them on a technicality based on the rejection letters? So much time has passed, I don't think I still have those but they are almost always standard with all those points on there (from memory) so I would find it difficult to argue that myself.

I will attempt to show the email replies u got from the council both dismissing my claims for a correctly priced permit ad well as how slow they were - is this something I do on the day?

I understand it won't be based ona technicality and more discretion and that's the angle I always wanted to go with, based on principle that I wasn't trying to avoid getting a permit, I was in fact trying hard to get one, the correct one, but whilst trying to do so got fined twice.

I just got an email to say the hearing is now delayed until September! Is that not ridiculous?

Thank you for your help.

So much time has passed, I don't think I still have those but they are almost always standard with all those points on there (from memory) so I would find it difficult to argue that myself.

Their evidence pack will contain as a minimum:
Certified copy of the PCN;
Your formal reps;
The NOR;
The traffic order.

Your appeal grounds are as per your reps plus procedural impropriety. You would expand on both points on receipt of the council's evidence pack.