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Hey guys I just received this PCN recently and have seen many people eventually win their case but I'm not exactly sure the correct way to appeal it. Would appreciate if anyone could help

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Get and post the video
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Quote from: Pastmybest on November 17, 2023, 04:37:40 pm
Get and post the video

There is no video on the website, only pictures of my car. Do I need to call & request for one?
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The video is normally available from https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx but it seems there's some sort of delay in this case.

If it's still not available in 24 hours, call the council and ask if they can email it to you.
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 22, 2023, 11:32:38 pm
The video is normally available from https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx but it seems there's some sort of delay in this case.

If it's still not available in 24 hours, call the council and ask if they can email it to you.

Thanks CP I tried that site a few days ago and still haven't received any video. Also gave them a call today and they don't deal with any pcn queries over the phone now. What do you advise?
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You might just have to make a representations requesting a copy of the video.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Hey, so I did send off an appeal requesting CCTV and they just sent me a notice of rejection today stating "We sent you a PCN because our camera evidence shows your vehicle disobeying a sign and using a route that was only for buses, cycles and taxis. The sign is blue and round, with a white picture of the vehicles allowed."

They didn't give me any footage but said I could email them for it. I will request the CCTV but is there a way to fight this even without the footage? Seen a couple people win their case on here

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I would say the defence for this one is simple.

At the time stated on the PCN the OP's vehicle was not within the bus gate as per the Council's own evidence.

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What were the reps.?  Also the TWOC ground limits to theft.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

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There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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I bring a collateral challenge on the basis that the PCN is unenforceable because the taken without consent ground clearly fetters to theft by its very wording that a crime report be provided. Therefore, this inaccurate reflection of the statutory ground does not take into account that a relative, or friend, may have taken the vehicle without the owner's permission so that the owner would not necessarily, if at all, report the matter to the Police in such circumstances or, indeed, make an insurance claim. I refer to Chidi Egenti v London Borough of Islington Case No 2110212199 which corroborates this argument.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Thanks for that.

I have undertaken to represent the OP at Tribunal.

Mike
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It's a classic/old argument. From the good old days!
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Hi guys, just to update MMV has offered to represent me as stated above & I am grateful for.

I don't have a copy of the reps I sent off but I literally just asked them for a copy of video evidence so I could present a proper appeal. They did not provide me with the video and I have emailed twice since requesting one and they have still not sent me one.
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Cleary, this is another weapon which I am sure MM will employ.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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