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Haringey PCN - Permit renewal - 2 PCN's, original not received
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Haringey PCN - Permit renewal - 2 PCN's, original not received
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July 08, 2023, 07:01:49 pm »
Hi, this is a continuation of the thread on Pepipoo
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=121b90d3bbf145bdd3d87e262f524918&showtopic=150066
Timeline of events
16/1/23
I get notification that permit is due to expire 17/02/23. Only reminder from council I received. It slipped my mind.
17/02/23
permit expires
19/04/23
1st PCN logged on their system but it wasn’t on my windscreen. At this point I’m unaware.
28/04/23
2nd PCN received but this time I actually receive it. I pay off the 2nd PCN at discount price and renew permit
of it.
24/5/23
I receive the NTO for the 19/04 PCN. At this point I become aware of it. If I'd had physically received the permit (i.e. they put it on the car window I'd have renewed the permit and not received the 28/04 PCN.
Photos:
NTO page 1 Front:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/52936128180/in/dateposted-public/
NTO page 1 Back:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/52935138782/in/dateposted-public/
NTO page 2 Front:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/52936182538/in/dateposted-public/
NTO Page 2 Back:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/52935735026/in/dateposted-public/
3/6/23:
I made a representation asking if they could backdate the PCN to the date it expired and cancel the PCN's. I explained how I forgot to renew the permit, apologised.
26/6/23:
I receive a response saying no but allowing me to pay the PCN that resulted in the NTO back to discount price. Photos:
Page 1:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/53030487872/in/dateposted-public/
Page 2:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/53030487882/in/dateposted-public/
Page 3:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/53031246249/in/dateposted-public/
Page 4:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198443522@N06/53031072631/in/dateposted-public/
Today:
I have until midnight tomorrow to respond before the discounted fee expires....Should I give the adjudicator option a go? If I submit to adjudicator before midnight tomorrow does it keep the option of paying the discounted offer if it doesn't work out for me?
If I pay £65 for this then in total I would have paid £130 for 2 PCN's. But I don't think it's fair that I pay 2 PCN's...reason being, if I had physically received the 1st one, I would have renewed my permit and then prevented the second PCN from occurring.
I think it's fair that I pay one PCN but not two.
Thanks. Apologies I've left this late, I've been on holiday.
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Re: Haringey PCN - Permit renewal - 2 PCN's, original not received
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You need to post a copy of your actual representations, rather than a summary. I see you've paid but if we find something solid to appeal on, there's nothing to stop you filing an appeal anyway (if you win the council will issue a refund).
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Re: Haringey PCN - Permit renewal - 2 PCN's, original not received
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July 10, 2023, 08:42:39 pm »
I had exactly the same scenario in Haringey last year. The first PCN fell off my windscreen and resulted in an NTO. The second one I paid. I appealed and Haringey cancelled the first PCN.
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