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Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
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Morning all,

Received the following response following my appeal to the tribunal:

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Thank you for your appeal which was received on 18th October 2023.

The hearing will take place on: [date] at [time] at London Tribunals, Chancery
Exchange, Ground Floor North, 10 Furnival Street, LONDON, EC4A 1AB.

This will be your opportunity to explain your appeal to the Adjudicator. Any witness that you wish to
call should attend with you. If a witness is unable to attend the hearing, you should provide a
statement from that witness.

Prior to your hearing, please read the leaflet on the appeal process and procedures which can be
found on our website at https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environment-and-traffic-adjudicators-your-
appeal.

If you would prefer to take part in the above hearing by telephone, please email
LT.Reception@londontribunals.gov.uk by return, providing your telephone number and the telephone
number of your representative, or any witness you are calling. Please quote your case reference
number in the email subject. Please do not use this e-mail address for any other queries.

If you are unable to attend your hearing, either in person or by telephone (if indicated), the Adjudicator
will consider your case based on the evidence that you and the Enforcement Authority have provided,
and you will be notified of the decision.

We have sent a copy of your appeal to the Enforcement Authority. The authority is unlikely to
participate in the hearing. You should receive a copy of the Enforcement Authority’s evidence directly
from the authority at least three days before the hearing. If you have been issued a verification code
by the Enforcement Authority you may also view the evidence via the appellant portal on our website.

If you require any further assistance or information about this matter, please do not hesitate to contact
London Tribunals either by telephone or in writing using the contact details at the top of this letter.
Please quote your Case Reference Number, 2230463337, in all communications.

An independent tribunal for environment, parking and traffic penalty appeals
Environment and Traffic Adjudicators are supported by London Tribunals, a service provided by London Councils

Calls to London Tribunals may be recorded

Case Management Team

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Any advice that can be provided on what I can do at the hearing will be much appreciated. Hearing is at the start of December.

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #31 on: »
The next step is for the council to provide their evidence pack to the adjudicator, which you'll have access to (if they fail to do this, you win by default).

Your task at the tribunal is to responding to whatever they put in that pack, so for now all you need to do is keep an eye out for it, and post here when it's available.

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #32 on: »
Ok, thanks. I'll check the case appeal case regularly and will post here if sent.

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #33 on: »
Why don't you just tell us when the hearing is?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #34 on: »
Beginning of December

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #35 on: »

You don't want to say then...

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #36 on: »
Just aware these are public forums...we're encouraged to keep names and personal correspondence private when sharing correspondence, i dont know if tribunal details are easily searched or open to the public so perhaps I'm being overly cautious but if it has no bearing I'm happy to share the date

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #37 on: »
Just aware these are public forums...we're encouraged to keep names and personal correspondence private when sharing correspondence, i dont know if tribunal details are easily searched or open to the public so perhaps I'm being overly cautious but if it has no bearing I'm happy to share the date
There is a thing known as the open justice principle, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_justice and https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/open-justice-the-way-forward/call-for-evidence-document-open-justice-the-way-forward

Hence all tribunal listings are public, anyone can go to https://londontribunals.org.uk/ and click on "View the daily list of appeals" and look up all upcoming cases.

The council already knows about the hearing because the tribunal will have sent them a notification.

Given that I can't be bothered to go through the daily case list to find your case on the tribunal website, the only people who are now in the dark are the people on this forum who are trying to help you...
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #38 on: »
Ok that's good to know. My case doesnt currently appear but I'm guessing cos its only showing the next couple of weeks. My hearing is on the 2nd of December.

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #39 on: »
OK, so now you just need to let us know if / when the council contests the case.

Don't rely on the post, just check the tribunal portal once a week or so. in the last 10 days before the hearing, check every day. If they upload something very late you can call up the tribunal and get a reschedule, the tribunal gives up to two reschedules of up to 28 days administratively, no questions asked.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #40 on: »
Just by way of update, I'm now checking the portal daily. The council has yet to respond or provide any additional evidence. I will update if and when the council responds

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #41 on: »
Just by way of update, I'm now checking the portal daily. The council has yet to respond or provide any additional evidence. I will update if and when the council responds

Good to hear.  I do not wish to appear to be rude; but, have you considered asking one of us "lay representatives" to represent you?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #42 on: »
Honestly, didn't know it was an option. The support received so far has been excellent, didn't realise it extended beyond that.

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #43 on: »
Honestly, didn't know it was an option. The support received so far has been excellent, didn't realise it extended beyond that.
Having read the thread, I suggest that you ask cp to do so if he is free as he is the foremost expert on this forum.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Haringey Council - PCN 12(r) - thread from pepipoo
« Reply #44 on: »
2230463337 is listed for 11 am, I have another hearing at that time so if the case is contested I'd have to move it first. In any case I'd want to see the evidence pack before agreeing to take this on.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order