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Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« on: December 17, 2023, 01:54:09 pm »
Hello.

I have had an appeal rejected by Haringey Council for contravention 32D (Failing to proceed in the direction shown by a traffic sign).

At the end of Willoughby Road is a left turn only onto a congested street hence I did a U-turn to go around the perimeter of the park to get onto Westbury Avenue.

Any advice on what to do next? They've sent Adjudicator forms. Much appreciated. x
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2023, 04:53:20 pm »
You are going to get zero sympathy from an adjudicator as you have told us you passed two blue one way up arrows and then did a u-turn because Turnpike Lane was busy, as it often is and got caught on your way back. Another expert may be more helpful than me but I suggest you pay at 50% whilst the going is good.

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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2023, 05:05:51 pm »
I actually did a delivery on Willoughby Road so would've needed to gain access but I guess that probably wouldn't stand in a tribunal as doing the delivery wouldn't have anything to do with the contravention committed, or maybe it could stand?
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2023, 05:09:19 pm »
Blue signs give orders, to everyone, I think that not many police would drive against the flow due to the obvious dangers.
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2023, 07:01:22 pm »
Please show the whole of the PCN as there may be a problem.
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2023, 07:47:02 pm »
Hi.

I've posted both the PCN and Notice of Rejection.
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2023, 11:00:12 pm »
The pcn has been issued under the wrong Act and therefore has the wrong grounds for representation - an open goal Hippocrates - do you want to kick the ball?
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2023, 11:18:50 pm »
Quote from: mrmustard on December 17, 2023, 11:00:12 pm
The pcn has been issued under the wrong Act and therefore has the wrong grounds for representation - an open goal Hippocrates - do you want to kick the ball?
So what is the correct Act, LLA & TfL Act 2003 ?

Other thing is that after turning round and running "wrong line" no arrow sign is seen as they are all for the other direction of traffic flow.

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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2023, 10:03:42 am »
Yes, the correct act is the 2003 one. The PCN includes options for being at rest and for procedural impropriety neither of which apply.

I take the point that the council don't have any images of the van going the correct way to start with. It was an uninspiring piece of driving (and I speak as a member of the Institute of Advanced Motoring who hopes he wouldn't make such a mistake - I do make some) and I wasn't kindly disposed to this thread at the start but given the council blunder I'm less concerned.

This should be an easy win. Let's give Hippocrates 24 hours to step forward if he wishes (as my earlier message) and if he is too busy or doesn't fancy it (he mostly fights bus lanes) I will make the Appeal. My email is mrmustard@zoho.com
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2023, 11:03:16 am »
Ok, I'll put the boots on and accept the challenge!  Molon lave, Haringey.

@Mr Mustard:  it is only accidental that I do bus lanes mostly - never used to, as you know! Did win a costs application v Kingston recently re a Yellow Box Junction though. I also enjoy driving down bus lanes on my bicycle (with trailer attached) dressed as Santa Claus with VRM: SANTA 007!* I will PM the OP with my details.

* http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=145245&pid=1801297&mode=threaded&start=400#entry1801297

All joking aside, I wonder what appeal form they sent with the Notice of Rejection?  :o

Without this systemic incompetence, we would not have a hobby - and others would not need to go to Furnival Street.
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URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2023, 08:07:47 pm »
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted

Please:  the appeal form sent with the NOR.
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URGENT!

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2023, 09:09:12 pm »
Thanks, got it.  Well, at least, they sent the correct appeal form pertaining to moving traffic contraventions.  This, of course, does not help their position.
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2024, 10:47:21 am »
Hello. I have some good news.

Haringey Council have decided not to contest the appeal.

A big thank you to Hippocrates for helping me with this.

You're a star!
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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2024, 07:27:35 pm »
B**gger!  I paid £100 for the boots! Let's make a costs application. Just joking.  Mr Mustard deserves a mention too since he was my coach!
« Last Edit: January 17, 2024, 02:10:57 am by Hippocrates »
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URGENT!

PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO EQUATE MOVING TRAFFIC LAW WITH BUS LANE LAW SO LONDON COUNCILS MUST ATTEND HEARINGS WHEN REQUIRED BY THE APPELLANT. 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701491

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg56899/#msg56899

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Re: Haringey Council Notice of Rejection.
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2024, 08:20:36 pm »
And a thank you to Mr Mustard for spotting the incorrectness by Haringey Council.
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