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Enceladus

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Further to the continuous contravention above.

Consider the 5th PCN ZN12354086. None of the first 9 evidence photos show any sign of PCNs on the windscreen. However photos 10  & 11 do show PCNs under the offside wiper blade, Photo 12 is of the rear of the car. Photo 10 shows at least 2 PCNs but is not clear. Photo 11 shows at least 3 PCNs.

The CEO only served 1 PCN. It very much looks like the CEO removed the PCNs from the car because he/she know this was a continuing contravention and wanted to show that there were no PCNs served so he/she could legitimately serve a new PCN. The CEO then re-instated the existing PCNs and added the new one.

Look at the 7th PCN ZN12354417. It's the same scenario. There's no sign of any PCNs in photos 1 to 8 and photo 13 (which is of the rear), thus giving the impression that none were on the car when the CEO arrived. So fair game for another PCN. The PCNs appear in photos 10, 11 and 12. Photo 12 is the clearest and suggest that this time there were at least 2 PCNs put onto the windscreen under the nearside wiper.

I don't have time to go through them all but it seems that the CEOs have been interfering with the PCNS that are already served.
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Thank you @Enceladus! This is very helpful and that particular case you have referenced sounds almost identical to mine.

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There is no rule of law or regulation that entitles an authority to issue a penalty charge notice every 24 hours or as in some of these Penalty Charge Notices less
than 24 hours. An enforcement authority has other powers at its disposal for a continuous contravention, such as removal.

This specific part is very handy and I think I can build the case on that.

I also appreciate you going over those PCN photos and I did catch some of what you observed, specifically that no signs of any PCNs were there on some of the photos and would indicate some interference. I'll have a look at the rest.

I think I have enough here now (including my points on the last post) to write a letter against the Notice to Owner. I'll share here once drafted and it would be much appreciated to get your thoughts!

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Please wait and see if cp8759 has more relevant cases, especially the key case. PM him if he doesn't appear.

I'm not sure I'd want to mention the probable interference with the PCNs on the cars at this stage. I'm in two minds about whether or not to save it for the Adjudicator. See what others have to say.

Did your sister visit the car and remove any PCNs from it? Can he provide a list of the days she visited?

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Strictly speaking these are not continuous contraventions but the tribunal can interpret them as such as being 'exorbitant' given the alternative remedy of removal available.



The removal PCN (and tow charge) should be challenged separately given the seeming lack of documentation provided.   

The rest are all going to NTO anyway and should be grouped and reps made on duty to act fairly in the case of what amounts to one contravention for a usually diligent resident, plus lack of permit reminder. There is nothing to lose and they may cancel some or probably offer you the discount to buy you off going to the tribunal.

In Hackney I got five permit renewal reminder emails last year (one every 2 weeks and first well in advance of expiry) before I renewed which shows that councils can act better.   

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@Enceladus - my sister didn't visit the car during the time that any of the PCNs were issued. Otherwise she would have called me. On the day she most recently visited, it the day after in which it was taken to the impound. I'll PM cp8759 to see if he can shed any light on similar cases.

@stamfordman so you think I should hint at (and not directly argue that) this one 'continuous contravention'? Otherwise I can just say that this is 'exhorbitant' and put this under the section I plan to write arguing the unfair treatment I am receiving here as a resident. It's also good to know that Hackney council seems to be sending a few reminders rather than just one! Also what do you think about what @Enceladus said about not mentioning probable interference with the PCNs at this stage?


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Thanks for your response.

I've had a look back through the documents and it was an additional PCN that was issued on 31/05. That was the pound PCN.

This was given along with the release document (single-sided) which I've attached below.

The PCN number is ZN12536367 and the amount paid to release the vehicle was £200. They required this PCN to be paid too which was £65, so in total £265 was paid.

@inst1nct103 so were representations ever made against PCN ZN12536367?
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@cp8759 no. Quite honestly I didn't know this PCN existed until I created this thread and learnt that a separate PCN is used to trigger the impound. The document provided to my sister at the impound also did not list this PCN. A receipt was provided for the payment of this specific PCN to release the car. No other document was provided on how I can appeal this PCN. And on that note, if I am to appeal it, I'm not actually sure how I would now go about doing it? I've received four out of an expected 13 NTOs so some are still yet to come in the post. 

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@cp8759 no. Quite honestly I didn't know this PCN existed until I created this thread and learnt that a separate PCN is used to trigger the impound.

So was it your sister who picked up the car from the pound?
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Yes and also with a family friend who paid for the release. Buy my sister was the one with all the documents. I also, as part of the release, had to send a handwritten document authorising the release. Initially she wasn't told that my license needed to be on top of the document which meant she had to run around to find a nearby place to print the new copy I sent over once I was told. I was going to bring this up as a point in how one of the representatives at the impound on the phone misinformed her as to exactly what documents needed to be provided. As on arrival, she was told differently.

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One other thing on my mind is whether to include the mishaps at the impound in the representation against to the Notice to Owner.

Just as a recap, 13 PCNs and 1 separate one that triggered the removal.

Should I include the lack of documentation provided at the impound in the representations for those 13 PCNs? Or should I keep that separate and appeal that in the representation against the 14th PCN (which I still need to figure out how to do given it's been paid)?

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OP, this has the capacity to get very complex and IMO you need to find a standard intro for all the PCNs. Fairly easy to draft IMO.

Perhaps to start..

I hold a resident's permit and have done so continuously since ***.
On ** I left the UK for work purposes with and returned on ***.
On ** my permit expired. I do not recall having received any notification from you for this and the combination of this and me being away led to a period of *** days during which my car was continuously stationary on the road without a current resident's permit.

During this period various CEOs issued no less than *** PCNs, this practice only being halted by virtue of the council removing my car on *** in respect of PCN **** which was issued at that time. On ** my sister recovered the car on my behalf on payment of *** comprising ***/***/*** for the removal, storage and penalty charges respectively. I have since received ** NTOs and if the council pursues each PCN then in time it would be demanding an additional £1700 from me for not renewing my permit in a timely manner.

OP, I just want to try and capture the absurdity of their position as concisely as possible as well as getting all your details in one place.

None of the above goes into potential defences, it just attempts to set the scene.

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@H C Andersen thank you, that's very helpful!

I've drafted the following representation.

I'm not sure whether to include the probable interference of the PCNs that @Enceladus highlighted? I've omitted them for now, but any thoughts on the letter would be much appreciated!



Notice to Owner Appeal

I am appealing the Notice to Owner (NTO) issued to me. This appeal applies to all 13 Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs - Appendix 1.1) related to this case. As of now, I've received 4 NTOs, with 9 pending. I will provide context before presenting my three-part representation, which I'll explain in detail in separate sections.

Executive Summary

I've held a resident's permit since October 2023. From April 12 to July 12, 2024, I was abroad for work. My permit expired on April 25, and I don't recall receiving a renewal notification. Consequently, my car remained parked and stationary in the same place without a valid permit for 61 days.

During this period, 13 PCNs were issued before the council decided to remove my car on May 31 (PCN ZN12536367 - Appendix 1.2). On June 1, my sister recovered the vehicle on my behalf, paying £265 (£65 PCN fee, £200 removal charge).

I've received 4 NTOs and expect 9 more. The council's potential £1690 demand for late permit renewal is excessive, especially considering my five-year residency and consistent permit history.

My appeal consists of three parts:

1. The council's lack of fairness and failure to remove the vehicle earlier.
2. Absence of permit renewal reminders or attempts to contact me.
3. Lack of representation information at the impound and misinformation about required documents.

Section 1 - Lack of Fairness

Councils have a public law duty to act fairly, as outlined in the 'Statutory guidance for local authorities in England on civil enforcement of parking contraventions'. The guidance emphasises:

1. Applying different penalties for different contraventions.
2. Ensuring efficient, effective, and impartial processes for handling challenges and appeals.

I believe the council acted unfairly by issuing 14 PCNs (including immobilisation) for these reasons:

1. My car remained stationary throughout the period. The PCN printout (Appendix 1.1) clearly shows that tickets were issued almost daily from 07/05/2024 to 30/05/2024, often just minutes after 24 hours had passed. For instance, PCNs were issued at 08:20 on 22/05, 08:28 on 24/05, and 08:10 on 25/05. All but one PCN (dated 29/05) were for the same contravention code 12(i), at the same location on Cornwall Road. This pattern demonstrates that all contraventions were essentially the same, making the number and frequency of PCNs excessive and punitive rather than corrective.

2. ___, Head of Highways and Parking, stated in response to my complaint (Appendix 2.1): 'Normally after 3 PCNs the vehicle is flagged for removal... I can see from the PCN issued on 30th May that there were 5 PCNs attached to the vehicle and agree that the vehicle should have been removed sooner.'

This admission, coupled with the PCN record showing 13 tickets issued before removal, highlights the council's failure to follow their own procedures and remove the vehicle promptly, leading to an unjustified number of PCNs for what is arguably a single, ongoing contravention.

Section 2 - Lack of Communication

As a five-year resident with a consistent permit history, I've held three consecutive permits with Haringey Council:

1. May 2022 (1 Year)
2. May 2023 (6 Months)
3. October 2023 (6 Months)

My prompt renewals upon receiving past communications demonstrate my reliability.

Haringey Council states: "You'll get an email 5 weeks before your permit ends asking you to renew your permit." However:

1. I did not receive this reminder email and cannot locate it in my records.
2. No follow-up emails, text messages, or letters were sent.
3. No other attempts to contact me were made.

This lack of communication contrasts with other councils' practices, such as Hackney, which sends multiple reminders. Haringey's single email attempt is insufficient to inform residents of expiring permits, especially given my history of prompt renewals upon notification.

Section 3 - Impound Malpractice

1. Inconsistent Information:

    - My sister was initially told by phone that my passport, driving license, bill, and a handwritten authorisation letter were sufficient for vehicle release.
    - Upon arrival, a different representative deemed these documents insufficient, requiring an additional signature and specific document placement.
    - This inconsistency caused significant inconvenience, forcing my sister to search for printing facilities while managing three children.

2. Violation of Statutory Guidance:

The 'Statutory guidance for local authorities in England on civil enforcement of parking contraventions' states:
'On the release of a vehicle from a clamp or the vehicle pound, the authority must immediately inform the vehicle owner or person in charge of the vehicle about their right to make representations and their subsequent right to appeal against representations that are rejected.'

3. Breach of Procedure:

    - My sister was not provided with any documentation explaining how to make a representation.
    - This oversight has effectively removed my right to appeal the PCN that triggered the immobilisation.
    - Despite contacting the council separately about this issue, I currently have no means to appeal this specific PCN.

These procedural failures have significantly impacted my ability to address the triggering PCN and caused undue stress and inconvenience.
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Enceladus

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I suggest that you state the facts. Let the Council rebut them if they don't agree.

One continuous contravention has occurred; the vehicle remained at the same location throughout the period these Penalty Charge Notices were issued.

There is no rule of law or regulation that entitles an authority to issue a penalty charge notice every 24 hours or as in some of these Penalty Charge Notices less than 24 hours. An enforcement authority has other powers at its disposal for a continuous contravention, such as removal.


The Council failed to remove the vehicle in a timely manner and I cannot be held responsible for this. It is disproportionate , unfair and not in the interests of justice.

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Thanks,

I'm adding this at the bottom of Section 1:

"A single, continuous contravention occurred as the vehicle remained stationary at the same location throughout the period these Penalty Charge Notices were issued. No law or regulation entitles an authority to issue PCNs every 24 hours or less for the same offense. For continuous contraventions, enforcement authorities have other powers at their disposal, such as vehicle removal. The Council's failure to remove the vehicle promptly should not result in my liability for multiple penalties. This approach is disproportionate, unfair and contrary to the interests of justice.

This admission, coupled with the PCN record showing 13 tickets issued before removal, highlights the council's failure to follow their own procedures and remove the vehicle promptly, leading to an unjustified number of PCNs for what is arguably a single, ongoing contravention."

Do you think I should save the probably PCN interference you picked up on in the photos for later (if it goes to Tribunal)?

@cp8759 any thoughts or similar cases?

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Nobody else has commented on the issue of interference with those PCNs previously served. Asides from the 2 examples I posted earlier PCN ZN12212900, the third oldest, shows no evidence photos PCNs on the windscreen and then two of the last photos with 3 (not 100% sure) PCNs under the nearside wiper. So the two extant PCNs have been removed, then the CEO takes the evidence photos and then reinstates the two that were removed and adds the new one.

So why does the CEO do this? It seems that at least some of the CEOs want the car to be clean of visible PCNs before they can issue a new one. Likely they believe they have a continuous contravention. To me it adds credence to the continuous contravention argument.

I'm inclined to not mention it at this stage. Bring it up if and or when the PCN and removal gets to the Adjudicator. But I'm open to other opinions.

Also your representation is not clear on how many PCNs you have. You've mentioned 13 but isn't the correct number 14? PCN 14 being the one paid at the pound. Even though it's paid you still challenge it with the Council and then appeal to the Adjudicator if they reject. Even if you lose the amount won't increase for PCN 14.