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Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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@cp8759 I wrongly ticked 'mitigating circumstances' for ZN15688510 and after advice from Hippocrates entered additional info amending to 'contravention did not occur' as the PCN is invalid.  I then added written confirmation from my partner who is registered keeper of the vehicle stating permission for me to contest the PCN, with ID .  Only ZN15688510 was done like this, the others were appealed in her name

Does this mean they've rejected the representation?
« Last Edit: March 19, 2025, 12:29:29 pm by Goretechre »
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Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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Quote from: Goretechre on March 19, 2025, 08:39:17 am
Does this mean they've rejected the representation?
I have no idea, you'll have to wait for the letter to come in the post. Alternatively, you could call them and see if they can email you a copy.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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@Hippocrates Letter received from them on the 22nd and asks to challenge again by post even though we sent additional info stating she gives permission for myself to make a representation with signature and driving licence.  Is this a tactic?  Im guessing i should send the letter signed for, could still go missing? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fzomzm_J4TRHifLqGLXkhPuuZbiTBEo0/view?usp=sharing
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You could go online and reiterate it again. I will PM you an officer's e mail address.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 25, 2025, 11:33:33 am
You could go online and reiterate it again. I will PM you an officer's e mail address.
I would re-submit it via the council website as well as sending it by email, take a timed / dated screenshot of the confirmation page.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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I've sent the requested rep via Special Delivery post and email.  The other 6 PCN reps were sent on the 21st feb, still zero response.  At what point are they void?
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They never become void, but if they don't issue a response within 3 months you can appeal on the ground that the delay is excessive.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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@Hippocrates @cp8759

Still no written response regarding my reps,  one of the PCN's ZN15688510 VN05EKZ has gone up to £130 and under key events it reads "On Hold :Representation Received (26/05/2025 )"
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Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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All you can do is either wait, or call the council and ask what's going on.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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I have just registered a couple and have conclusive evidence that they allowed one before the Tribunal stage which means that the issue of fairness comes into play. I have intervened in another's case too just a few minutes ago to get it sorted. Used exactly the same submissions in all.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-from-haringey-code-52(m)-cornwall-road-n15-(gorleston-rdfalmer-rd-east-west-/msg65874/#msg65874
« Last Edit: April 09, 2025, 08:26:22 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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I suggest:

1. Tribunal.

2. Formal complaint to the council in terms of The Nolan Principles.

Happy to assist with both.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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@Hippocrates appreciate that!  Whats the next step?  Seeing as theres 7 is this time consuming, and could be expensive if i lose - you dont think i should pay whilst still at £65? 
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Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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The other 6 are disproportionate. PM me your details please and I will write to them to formally complain re their inconsistency and file the appeal.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52M PCN ( Cornwall Road N15 - LTN Multiple PCN'S )
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Quote from: Goretechre on April 23, 2025, 11:15:42 am
@Hippocrates appreciate that!  Whats the next step?  Seeing as theres 7 is this time consuming, and could be expensive if i lose - you dont think i should pay whilst still at £65?
The council count on that, over 90% of PCNs are paid at the 50% discounted rate. If Hippocrates is willing to represent you I'd take him up on that.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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