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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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Here is the  NOR

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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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This seems to be the relevant paragraph:



It's complete nonsense of course, Mr Knight is unlikely in the extreme to have read the legislation. Reminds me of a hearing a few weeks back where I cross-examined a council officer and forced him to read the legislation, which he had admitted he's never read.

This is as close to a guaranteed win as it gets. I have a feeling Hippocrates might offer to represent you, if he's too busy I'll try and pick this one up.
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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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I am up for it.  They will almost certainly fold!  Mr Knight needs training - like many of them. Or go to Specsavers. Perhaps, this is another case where the CA may write to them to confirm that they have the relevant training, if any.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2024, 09:49:02 am by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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Thank you so much guys, I too am up for it but as I previously stated, I really don't think I can take the time off to attend the tribunal in person, much as I'd love to. I don't even know if I will be able to appear by phone, but if one of you kind gentlemen are happy to represent me in the interest of justice I am willing to take it to tribunal. I too get really incensed when they just use standard phases without the facts to back them up on the grounds that the public will just fold and pay up.

What do I need to do next. Can I ask for a hearing online or do I need to complete the attached NOR?

My thanks again for standing up for us little people.
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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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@Vike:  I will PM you with details of exactly what to do. You will not need to take time off work as I will attend on your behalf.  And, they will not even adduce evidence in all probability.

This really disgusts me, actually, and I will couch the application in such terms as to imply a costs application is on the cards if they do not play ball and cancel.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2024, 09:03:28 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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Thank you so much, @Hippocrates. I look forward to your PM.
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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
« Reply #36 on: »
Just got your e mail. Game on.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2024, 02:06:15 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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They have chosen not to contest Monday's hearing.* Possibly a costs application to follow.
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http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=153074&pid=1813435&mode=threaded&start=#entry1813435
« Last Edit: April 13, 2024, 12:32:25 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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They have very recently retreated  in this case which was on pepipoo.  2240166305. cp, MrColmans and Schofeldt had to pull out all the stops to stop him (sorry for repeat) joining The Mugged Club too. And this one: 2240141621.

OP for this thread and I spoke with each other this morning in Greek and used the "M" word a few times.  ;)

Hearing is set for 21st May;  but, sadly my crystal ball tells me otherwise.  :-[
« Last Edit: May 09, 2024, 12:21:45 am by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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Just had a call from the Tribunal.  They are not contesting. A costs application will possibly follow in view of their NOR.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
« Reply #40 on: »
Oh wow! Just as you said. You clearly know them by now, Hippocrates. Thank you so much for all your help in this. You are a legend! I expect I, too will get an email to that effect?
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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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It still shows on the list.  But these things take time.  I guarantee my voice mail message and I consider a costs application is in order.

Anyway, Hippo is off to the Asclepion very soon. To renew his Oath.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2024, 11:23:00 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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I checked again and the DNC (Do not contest) Notice is now registered on the Tribunal's website.

This website is fantastic! and particularly, in my case, Hippocrates who certainly knows the law and how to apply it in favour of the little people against the councils who clearly do not (know the law) but clearly believe they can bully us into paying by taking it to the wire.

If these guys tell you they believe it's worth going to appeal, please believe them!

Three cheers for Hippocrates, Hip, Hip, Hippocrates.

Thank you so much. How can I donate to the forum to keep up the struggle?
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Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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Ευχαριστώ πολύ!  But, the other two Musketeers are far more knowledgeable than I. I would consider a costs application, Vike, since yours was the last one forced to the Tribunal in the full knowledge re the other four I represented - plus the couple mrmustard did too - would fail - and did fail.

I will e mail cp8759 on your behalf re the donation.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2024, 11:23:02 am by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Haringey 52(M) PCN
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@Hippocrates.

How would I claim for costs, please? Is this something you can help me with. And have you managed to claim costs on similar DNC appeals before?

I would be quite happy to go for this and donate the proceeds to the forum. As without your help It would have cost me a minimum of £65 and a maximum of £130.

My only experience of asking for costs was when I won a previous appeal and asked about costs the adjudicator told me that it was very unlikely to succeed.
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