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Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

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Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 13, 2025, 11:31:13 am
What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?
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Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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Quote from: ugo on April 16, 2025, 12:38:45 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 13, 2025, 11:31:13 am
What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

@ugo


1. 10th April?  Please confirm.

The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations twice.

2. They should not be requesting £65 before you have appealed to the Tribunal. This is opportunistic and prejudicial.

3. This is total bolleaux and I say Tribunal time.

More than happy to represent f.o.c.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2025, 12:57:47 pm by Hippocrates »
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I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 16, 2025, 12:52:29 pm
Quote from: ugo on April 16, 2025, 12:38:45 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 13, 2025, 11:31:13 am
What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

@ugo


1. 10th April?  Please confirm.

The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations twice.

2. They should not be requesting £65 before you have appealed to the Tribunal. This is opportunistic and prejudicial.

3. This is total bolleaux and I say Tribunal time.

More than happy to represent f.o.c.


1- Yes - their rejection is dated 10/04
Notice of Rejection of representations
PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE NUMBER: QZ18620254
Our Ref: QZ18620254
10/04/2025

2- Why is that? What they said is attached

3- Ok, on what basis? I'm happy to do so, do you want to send me a message with your email and I can get in touch?

Thank you!

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Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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@Hippocrates, surely the website simply reiterates what's been conveyed in the NOR. How could there be anything untoward in the website and NOR being aligned, after all one of your successful lines at adjudication has been where they are not which would suggest they're in a no-win situation.

A non-statutory discount/offer/bribe/carrot is always conditional. 
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Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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Quote from: ugo on April 16, 2025, 01:39:07 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 16, 2025, 12:52:29 pm
Quote from: ugo on April 16, 2025, 12:38:45 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 13, 2025, 11:31:13 am
What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

@ugo


1. 10th April?  Please confirm.

The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations twice.

2. They should not be requesting £65 before you have appealed to the Tribunal. This is opportunistic and prejudicial.

3. This is total bolleaux and I say Tribunal time.

More than happy to represent f.o.c.


1- Yes - their rejection is dated 10/04
Notice of Rejection of representations
PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE NUMBER: QZ18620254
Our Ref: QZ18620254
10/04/2025

2- Why is that? What they said is attached

3- Ok, on what basis? I'm happy to do so, do you want to send me a message with your email and I can get in touch?

Thank you!

1. Thanks.

2  Website:  Please pay £65.00 now.  No way, Jose! It fetters your right to appeal.

3. There are many points to win this case. I will drop you a PM.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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Quote from: H C Andersen on April 16, 2025, 03:45:32 pm
@Hippocrates, surely the website simply reiterates what's been conveyed in the NOR. How could there be anything untoward in the website and NOR being aligned, after all one of your successful lines at adjudication has been where they are not which would suggest they're in a no-win situation.

A non-statutory discount/offer/bribe/carrot is always conditional.

@ H C Andersen: the dates are all over the place/contradictory.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
« Reply #22 on: »
I agree that if the NOR and website are not aligned then this is one thing.

But IMO, to repeat the offer in the NOR as regards the 'discount' on the website is perfectly permissible and surely has no more bearing on the recipient's appeal rights than the NOR. 
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Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
« Reply #23 on: »
Now in direct contact with the OP. Offered to pay half if I lose.  :)

The main collateral issues:

1. The PCN.
2. The website.

I have all the relevant cases in support.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2025, 08:56:14 pm by Hippocrates »
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
« Reply #24 on: »
Appeal filed.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney, Code 52 - Motorcycle pushed through motor vehicle restriction – Richmond Rd / Eleanor Rd
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I saw a tribunal case recently which was pretty tough on the appellant but which shows adjudicators hands are tied on mitigation.

Someone had a heavy broken down motorbike he pushed through a LTN filter to get to a garage and had repair billing evidence - the alternative was to push it a long way round the block or get it recovered. No joy with council which should really have used discretion and the adjudicator could have made a recommendation.   
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