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What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

@ugo


1. 10th April?  Please confirm.

The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations twice.


2. They should not be requesting £65 before you have appealed to the Tribunal. This is opportunistic and prejudicial.

3. This is total bolleaux and I say Tribunal time.

More than happy to represent f.o.c.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2025, 12:57:47 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

@ugo


1. 10th April?  Please confirm.

The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations twice.


2. They should not be requesting £65 before you have appealed to the Tribunal. This is opportunistic and prejudicial.

3. This is total bolleaux and I say Tribunal time.

More than happy to represent f.o.c.


1- Yes - their rejection is dated 10/04
Notice of Rejection of representations
PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE NUMBER: QZ18620254
Our Ref: QZ18620254
10/04/2025

2- Why is that? What they said is attached

3- Ok, on what basis? I'm happy to do so, do you want to send me a message with your email and I can get in touch?

Thank you!

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@Hippocrates, surely the website simply reiterates what's been conveyed in the NOR. How could there be anything untoward in the website and NOR being aligned, after all one of your successful lines at adjudication has been where they are not which would suggest they're in a no-win situation.

A non-statutory discount/offer/bribe/carrot is always conditional. 

What is the actual date of the Notice of Rejection? I cannot work out if their dates are correct without this. And when did you receive it?
The rejection letter is dated 10/04/2025

Can you help me understand where you're going with this please? It sounds like you may be looking for a reason why the rejection is invalid (e.g. given the dates if they responded late), but you think that there's no other reason to appeal their decision, correct?

@ugo


1. 10th April?  Please confirm.

The amount outstanding on the PCN is £65.00, and will increase to £130.00 on Fri, 25 Apr 2025. However, this PCN currently has an offer, meaning you can pay at a reduced rate of £65.00. This offer expires on Tue, 22 Apr 2025. Please pay £65.00 now.
You have already made representations for this PCN and we replied on Thu, 3 Apr 2025. You cannot make representations twice.


2. They should not be requesting £65 before you have appealed to the Tribunal. This is opportunistic and prejudicial.

3. This is total bolleaux and I say Tribunal time.

More than happy to represent f.o.c.


1- Yes - their rejection is dated 10/04
Notice of Rejection of representations
PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE NUMBER: QZ18620254
Our Ref: QZ18620254
10/04/2025

2- Why is that? What they said is attached

3- Ok, on what basis? I'm happy to do so, do you want to send me a message with your email and I can get in touch?

Thank you!

1. Thanks.

2  Website:  Please pay £65.00 now.  No way, Jose! It fetters your right to appeal.

3. There are many points to win this case. I will drop you a PM.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

@Hippocrates, surely the website simply reiterates what's been conveyed in the NOR. How could there be anything untoward in the website and NOR being aligned, after all one of your successful lines at adjudication has been where they are not which would suggest they're in a no-win situation.

A non-statutory discount/offer/bribe/carrot is always conditional.

@ H C Andersen: the dates are all over the place/contradictory.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I agree that if the NOR and website are not aligned then this is one thing.

But IMO, to repeat the offer in the NOR as regards the 'discount' on the website is perfectly permissible and surely has no more bearing on the recipient's appeal rights than the NOR. 

Now in direct contact with the OP. Offered to pay half if I lose.  :)

The main collateral issues:

1. The PCN.
2. The website.

I have all the relevant cases in support.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2025, 08:56:14 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I saw a tribunal case recently which was pretty tough on the appellant but which shows adjudicators hands are tied on mitigation.

Someone had a heavy broken down motorbike he pushed through a LTN filter to get to a garage and had repair billing evidence - the alternative was to push it a long way round the block or get it recovered. No joy with council which should really have used discretion and the adjudicator could have made a recommendation.